044: A Conversation About Charlie Kirk#1: Conspiracy Theories, Political Divide, and Mental Health

We trace the Charlie Kirk shooting from first reports to alleged evidence gaps, weigh competing theories, and ask what courage, faith, and basic decency demand in a noisy, angry moment. Between claims and counterclaims, small acts of kindness point to what still works.

• why this public assassination matters beyond politics
• how platforms like X and TikTok shape what we “know”
• key inconsistencies: unsecured scene, missing angles, conflicting shot origins
• grief, optics, and leadership shifts at Turning Point USA
• the crowd, the “confession,” and possible distraction plays
• historical echoes of political violence and moral numbness
• social media’s toll on attention, empathy, and mental health
• immigration, enforcement narratives, and human costs
• budgets, priorities, and shrinking public trust
• a call for Christian courage without cruelty
• practical boundaries at work and online
• the quiet power of everyday civility

If you made it this far, I hope you all have a blessed week

Chapters

• 0:00 Cold Open, Tea, and Banter
• 7:30 Setting the Table: Why Kirk Matters
• 10:30 South Park, Memes, and Identity
• 15:30 News Flows: X vs. TikTok Censorship
• 18:30 The Shooting: What We Saw
• 24:30 Evidence Oddities and Cleanups
• 31:00 Shooter Theories and Motives
• 38:00 Family, Grief, and Public Optics
• 43:00 Crowd Reactions and Possible Plants
• 49:30 Violence, History, And Moral Decline
• 57:00 Social Media, Mental Health, Numbness
• 1:05:00 Everyday Kindness and Civic Hope
• 1:11:00 Immigration, Media Narratives, Policy

Transcript

SPEAKER_00: 0:00

Uh do we want to wear headphones? Well, do we want to wear headphones or no? I'm wearing headphones. You don't have to. I want to. Are these mine?

SPEAKER_01: 0:06

You can use those. Andy brought those. He's probably gonna be mad that you're using them. Not really. He's not gonna be mad.

SPEAKER_00: 0:12

It actually kind of matches the shirt too a little bit. Just with the white or whatever.

SPEAKER_01: 0:17

Stefan, they don't match. I'm gonna be honest with you. It's like an off-white to like a very bright white.

SPEAKER_00: 0:24

Do you mind turning up the volume on my headphones first?

SPEAKER_01: 0:27

Yeah, let me see. Do you know? Can you see which ones? Okay, I think it's four. So here I'm gonna turn them up slowly as it's changing.

SPEAKER_00: 0:33

That one's mine, yeah. Alright, tell me when it's good. That one. Oh, a little lower. That one.

SPEAKER_01: 0:42

Alright. So obviously, everybody who's listening, you can tell by the title that we're gonna be discussing the Charlie Kirk situation.

SPEAKER_00: 0:50

Yes, we are.

SPEAKER_01: 0:50

We have the Min Majesty tea with two honeys from Starbucks.

SPEAKER_00: 0:55

Charlie Kirk's drink of choice.

SPEAKER_01: 0:57

Uh in honor of him, not because we worship him.

SPEAKER_00: 0:59

Right. In honor of him for what he did to help America out, we shall sip. It is really good though. It is. When I when I first heard about it, like it came through like a Facebook reel where I was like, uh, these two like college kids came up and they were like, Yeah. So aside from like the talks and debates that you have, what do you drink every day? And he said like he had like a few mint majesty teas with two honeys from Starbucks, like every day. Because like that's how he'd wake up and it helps uh keep his voice.

SPEAKER_01: 1:34

Well, bro must have been rich.

SPEAKER_00: 1:36

Well, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 1:37

If you can buy Starbucks every day, I know.

SPEAKER_00: 1:39

I mean, I I bought it for like five days a week once because I was just like, bro, this stuff's good, and I'm like, I want to pay homage to Charlie Kirk, but um I'm gonna I buy it every once in a while now. Like if I feel like my throat's a little raspy or whatever. Last night we were playing Fortnite, me, John, and Tori. So we we were like screaming in the house at each other just like because they have proximity chat now, so like it's called Dulu. And so you can use proximity chat, so we just scream in the microphone whenever we get near somebody right away. So my throat was like on fire.

SPEAKER_01: 2:14

But your enemies can hear you?

SPEAKER_00: 2:15

Yeah, everybody, everybody can hear you. You're not on a team either. Like, so even though you're in the same lobby, they separate everybody. A group of a hundred people, they separate everybody, and um then you just kind of find your partners, you can link up with whoever you want to, and then uh you just you just pretty much use prox chat, and everybody can hear you. So you're just screaming and the microphone and my throat was on fire. John lost his voice last night. He was doing like the hey man, like he was doing that.

SPEAKER_01: 2:48

Losing your voice from Fortnite classic, but it was fun. I do want to get a PlayStation and Wi-Fi again, but man, if things if things change or I I start making more than I will, but right now it's I mean, right now the only thing I could do is like if my dad, since he's in Florida, they they right now sometimes use my PlayStation 4.

SPEAKER_00: 3:09

Because I was like, I got the PlayStation 5, so I'm like, I don't need the PlayStation 4 anymore, but it's down in Florida currently. I thought it was up here in Michigan before they went down, but if they ever bring it back up and they don't want it anymore, I'll just be like, here, have a PlayStation 4. It's a play, it's a one terabyte slim.

SPEAKER_01: 3:25

So I would be getting the five.

SPEAKER_00: 3:27

Yeah, five is better. I got the slim. The slim is really good with the disc reader, obviously. Get the disc reader because it's it's a pain in the butt to get a disc reader. It's like a hundred dollars if you don't get the disc reader alone after tax.

SPEAKER_01: 3:42

Oh, they make them pre-made?

SPEAKER_00: 3:43

Yeah, they make them pre-made and then they make a digital version and then they make like just them separate.

SPEAKER_01: 3:49

So is the digital one cheaper?

SPEAKER_00: 3:51

I no, I think it's actually more expensive. I think it's like 50 bucks more.

SPEAKER_01: 3:54

You're telling me that the digital one without a disc reader is more expensive. I think so, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 4:00

I can look it up. I can I want to say it is more expensive.

SPEAKER_01: 4:03

That's crazy. Why would they do that?

SPEAKER_00: 4:05

Because I think the old fat one, like the original, that one was uh actually cheaper than the disc one at first. Um Digital PS5 versus and then we can get back to Charlie Kirk. It started off with Charlie Kirk and then Fortnite and PlayStation.

SPEAKER_01: 4:24

This is still the opener, the intro to the episode. You know, you don't have to jump right in. There's no rule.

SPEAKER_00: 4:29

That's true, that is true.

SPEAKER_01: 4:30

But we are about 30 minutes in, so are we really seriously? It's been like five minutes.

SPEAKER_00: 4:38

Oh, never mind. Okay, so the slim digital version is 500, the disc version is 550. So it's roughly the same as what I thought it was, but I thought also differently.

SPEAKER_01: 4:48

Okay.

SPEAKER_00: 4:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 4:50

Cool. So on honestly, everything that I've really learned about Charlie Kirk has been the last few weeks. Yeah. Because I didn't really listen to him prior. I've I obviously knew who he was, and I would see him on things, some things like the Jubilee things, and I'd see like his shorts. But I didn't really know him that well. Or know of him that well, I should say.

SPEAKER_00: 5:13

He started his stuff in I believe 2018, and then he just kept going from there. So I've been following him since 2020. Um, the Charlie Kirk show, his uh Instagram reels, his um big time in the know. Yeah, so I'm I I know a lot more. I'm not like the know-it-all of Charlie Kirk, but I do know a good portion of stuff from Charlie Kirk. So I know more recent events other than the assassination, was there was a South Park episode that they were making fun of him, and they were I I don't know what the all in all is, but like some people assume that South Park was trying to make him upset because they did a parody of Trump and JD Vance on the show too recently, and then there's some that are saying they just did it for comedy because usually South Park does that with like trending like videos or events, they'll make like a mockery out of it. Yeah, and Charlie Kirk was like, This is hilarious. He goes, the fact that like I've gotten to this point where I'm like helping people and like people are getting upset with me and everything, like they're making a mockery of me, and it's hilarious. He goes, That it's Eric Cartman that's mocking me because they're called they're called master debaters.

SPEAKER_01: 6:27

Yeah, oh well. I saw that clip, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 6:29

So of him watching it, and they haven't changed his profile picture on TikTok either. I've been following him on TikTok for a while because that's where I learned most of his stuff before. Um, but yeah, he he had it where he was like, I'm gonna make this my profile picture, and so he has a picture of Eric Cartman that looks like him, same haircut, shirt, whatever, and it's forever on his TikTok page. So I'm like, that's pretty cool. And then I've been following his uh well, Twitter X, if that's what you want to call it, whatever you want to call it, Twitter.

SPEAKER_01: 7:03

I'm so sick of people, it's it's been X for years now. Why are people still confused?

SPEAKER_00: 7:07

Like Well, it's not like I'm not confused with it, it's just because I grew up, it's like with MySpace, you know, kind of like that long ago.

SPEAKER_01: 7:14

Yeah, but you don't call Facebook MySpace.

SPEAKER_00: 7:16

No, I don't call Facebook MySpace, but like we've known Twitter, I've known Twitter longer than most of these people have known Twitter. You know what I mean? So like I just it because it's still got like the bird and everything like that every now and again, too, that you'll see. So I just call it Twitter, but I know it's X. I'm not like, oh, what's that app a gun called? Like X, like some people do.

SPEAKER_01: 7:36

I feel like people are just never gonna move on.

SPEAKER_00: 7:38

No, I'm like, I'm okay with whatever. I already know what you're talking about. If you say X, I'm like, oh, Twitter or X, you know, same thing, it's the same app, it's just they put an X on it. It's it's whatever. But that's where I got most of the update from things, and X is really informative of like everything. It's weird because it's like the Wikipedia of social media, but it also is like spitting facts that you don't see on Facebook or you don't see on Instagram, and you don't see on even news channels happening.

SPEAKER_01: 8:07

Yeah, it's not censored.

SPEAKER_00: 8:08

Yeah, it's not censored. So you see everything. Like, that's where so on September 10th, this was the weird part too. So on September 10th, when everything went down after like the news just broke out, I was at work when this happened. Yeah, and I was and I was on break when I heard that Charlie Kirk got shot, and I was like, holy crap, like what the heck happened? Like, did he get shot in the arm, leg, you know, head? Like, what the heck happened? And not even like two seconds later, after I stepped outside to look, and I went on TikTok to see what like if there was news or something about it, a video showed his like neck getting like blown, and I'm like, Holy crap!

SPEAKER_01: 8:45

Like, they're allowed like because TikTok's usually like very censorship, like if there's anything like very violent, it is weird that they allowed that to show because usually Facebook is like you have to click on like uh the eyeball thing, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 9:03

Well, see, and then sometimes uh TikTok will do that too. They'll they'll say, Hey, you know, do you still want to watch this or do you want to not? But this just straight up showed it.

SPEAKER_01: 9:12

So I wonder if it was intentional. Maybe they did it on purpose.

SPEAKER_00: 9:15

I mean, if you look at too, like I know conspiracy theory-wise, but even though it's been debunked now, is that our government was part of JFK's assassination.

SPEAKER_01: 9:26

Wait, that's been debunked?

SPEAKER_00: 9:28

Yeah, it's been debunked.

SPEAKER_01: 9:29

I still, I still think they are.

SPEAKER_00: 9:31

Yeah, it's they've been they already proven that the government was part of JFK's assassination.

SPEAKER_01: 9:35

So so it's not debunked, it's been proven.

SPEAKER_00: 9:37

Yeah, it's been proven. I meant debunked as in like, yeah, they've already like debunked it, like is in like they've already solved it kind of thing.

SPEAKER_01: 9:43

Okay. Yeah. I was gonna say there's no way the government was not involved in that.

SPEAKER_00: 9:47

Yeah, no, it has to be. They 100% like just were like, yeah, no, we were part of that. And then so that makes me think too, even uh Mr. Tucker, I forget his first name, but uh it's not Mr.

SPEAKER_01: 10:00

Tucker.

SPEAKER_00: 10:00

I don't know what his first name is.

SPEAKER_01: 10:02

Tucker Carlson.

SPEAKER_00: 10:03

Is it Tucker Carlson?

SPEAKER_01: 10:04

Is that who you're talking about?

SPEAKER_00: 10:05

I think so. Um, no, or somebody Tucker. I I feel like the last name is Tucker, but um he has his whole documentary now about 9-11.

SPEAKER_01: 10:14

Now trying to Tucker Carlson. If you look him up on your phone, it has to be that guy. Okay, so then yeah, because he just came out with a documentary about 9-11.

SPEAKER_00: 10:22

Yeah, so it's like, okay, who's to say, like, I you know, to be honest with you, I could go 50-50 on that too, whether that was partial government and partial terrorist attack, like actual terrorist organizations from another country, you know? And who's to say then, too, like the MLK assassination, Malcolm X, all these other speakers that were silenced for their voice? Charlie Kirk, Abraham Lincoln, it seems like anybody who is trying to better their silence, but did you but then also too? Here's the other part too about the Charlie Kirk assassination. Did you I don't know if you've seen everything that's been happening, but like the minute he got like shot and he got knocked down and they rushed him to like the hospital or whatever, like nobody was blocking the area where he got shot, none of his security, anything like that. They weren't blocking it, and people were just taking the hats from the the crime scene essentially, and then they tore it down, paved it over. They didn't collect any other evidence from like the ground or anything. I'm like that's weird that you guys are cleaning up.

SPEAKER_01: 11:24

No caution tape, right?

SPEAKER_00: 11:25

No caution tape, like and then there's now just discovered that there's uh camera footage, somebody recorded on their phone that there is a camera behind Charlie Kirk, like to get like different POVs of like the audience and everything, and they just took that straight down the minute that they rushed him into the car. I'm like, huh.

SPEAKER_01: 11:44

Yeah, there's definitely more to the story, but the theory that I don't believe is that he went down into a trapdoor.

SPEAKER_00: 11:50

Yeah, that one is like no, like, yeah, sure, there is a trapdoor there, but I'm like, I highly doubt, especially when it's like you see the body being carried and you see him being shot.

SPEAKER_01: 11:59

Plus, Frank Turek, who is a Christian apologist, was in the car with him. Right. And so if he is lying about it, then he's got a real bad conversation with God when he dies. Yeah. So I don't think he would lie. And then but then again, with everything or everything, every time it happens, like you just never know about people.

SPEAKER_00: 12:19

Right. And then did you also see too there's new conspiracy theories about where Charlie Kirk got shot? Other than not the neck, but I'm talking about like where the bullet came from originally. There's the one from the building that they first were spewing on about. The uh it was like across like 200 yards away from the like that's the one that they're going with right now. That's the one they're going with. But then if you look at like the cameras from like people's phones and stuff and like other like professional like news reports, whatever, whoever was recording, it looks like there's a bullet from behind him.

SPEAKER_02: 12:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 12:54

Because really, I don't know. I feel like you wouldn't you would have to be like ex-military or ex-cop in order to make a shot like that from 200 yards, with like out basically like harming somebody else at that point. I feel like because if you're just gonna take out one guy at that point, like because there was one guy like right in front of Charlie Kirk too asking him the question. He was the last one to ask Charlie Kirk a question, and then Charlie Kirk's last words were like gang violence and uh some other kind of violence, and then that's when he was shot, yeah. So I'm like, that's weird. I'm like, because I feel like if you're obviously you'd you would have to have almost pinpoint actually, because you don't know if somebody's gonna move to the left or right at that point, so yeah, you might have one target, but at the same time, it's like how can you make that shot from 200 yards? And especially with Tyler Robinson, the guy that they're accusing right now, like I'm not saying he couldn't have been a part of it, but at the same time, like from the background story too, his parents were conservative. He he came from a conservative household. He's dating supposedly a trans uh woman that's male to female, and Lance Twiggs. Lance Twiggs, and then they have bullet engravings that were found that were saying like fascist and everything else, like that, to Charlie Kirk. And so it's like this man had planned this for that long, like so what then what made him turn to the left? Do you know what I mean at that point? Like, like that doesn't make sense if he was raised in a conservative house.

SPEAKER_01: 14:24

It's like Well, I have family members who were raised in a conservative household who are now liberal, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 14:30

It happens, yeah. But like at the same time, it's like you're really gonna get to that point of like violence to shoot a guy, and then his family was right there in front of him, too. His daughter ran up to him, like she got scared of the sound.

SPEAKER_01: 14:41

I heard that the the wife and kids weren't actually there, but now I'm here, I'm hearing like they were there, all sorts of stuff now.

SPEAKER_00: 14:50

They were there, there's video proof that they were there. There's people that just are like they're getting different. Obviously, there's a bunch of phones there, you know what I mean? So, like, you're gonna get different cameras uploaded and different footage, whatever. But no, they were there. The daughter ran up to him, you know, because she got scared of the sound and obviously didn't realize because she's so young that her father just died like that.

SPEAKER_01: 15:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 15:15

So I don't think he I in a way, I don't think he suffered. I think as soon as it went through, because at the the way that the at least from what I heard, there was no autopsy or anything like that either. But from at least the footage that you can tell, and from what doctors on TikTok have like at least been able to like kind of see, is that they hit a certain artery that like just cuts right through, and so it's like at that point, you're just you have like less than two seconds to like react to it to try to like prevent it from bleeding even more. But by the time he probably realized it, it was like he was gone, yeah. So I he was gone in an instant as soon as like that was so much blood that just came out, like he's gone.

SPEAKER_01: 15:56

Yeah, but let's go back to this Tyler kid because it is weird that he is the culprit, but there's also a lot of other weird stuff, like a bunch of cars going to his house before it happened, not like the day before, but for months, and then the text miss messages between him and Lance. Well, and even two, like why who says squad car?

SPEAKER_00: 16:16

Nobody, and that's the other that's what I wanted to tell you too. There's uh his friend Candace Owens. Um, she's actually right now, she's got information about this whole thing. She's actually seen the proof of like what the FBI has shown her and Erica. Because Candace Owis is Candace Owens has been friends with Charlie for years.

SPEAKER_01: 16:36

Yeah, but she's a little crazy sometimes.

SPEAKER_00: 16:38

I would say she can be a hundred percent. I'm not denying that. I'm not saying she's a hundred percent right.

SPEAKER_01: 16:43

It's like the female version of Alex Jones, right?

SPEAKER_00: 16:45

But the only other thing that I find curious too that you can kind of tie in with this, and then I'll get back to where Candace Owens and Tyler uh rolls in. Actually, I'll say it before.

SPEAKER_01: 16:55

Well, you can take your time, we got time.

SPEAKER_00: 16:56

So Candace was talking about Tyler, like she's seen the text messages and everything like that, and he refers to like there, they were the FBI and everybody were like saying, like, yeah, he refers to like a car as an automobile, and it's like nobody in America refers to like a car as an automobile. They say, This is my car, this is my classic car, this is my new car, you know. And they had police footage when he got uh pulled over for speeding. Uh, like I think it was like the year before. He was like, Yeah, you know, I gotta wait for my mom to get here or whatever, because she's got to tow it because I was running out of gas and everything, and um, yeah, she's bringing her car. Like he just says it like normally, and then Candace is like, so the FBI and and they're saying like all these messages and stuff, like he's saying automobile, like nobody calls it an automobile. But then or automotive.

SPEAKER_01: 17:46

My question would be who would text that?

SPEAKER_00: 17:50

You never know, because there's a lot of people that could probably hack into people's phones and like change stuff. I mean, look at AI. I don't know if you've seen the more recent AI too, but they're able to like make things look legit.

SPEAKER_01: 18:03

Like yeah, I mean, I think I thought the shooting at first was AI. I mean, and then 15 minutes later, I was like, wait a minute, I should probably look this up, and then it's all over the news that he got shot. But so what would AI texting texting him have to do with anything?

SPEAKER_00: 18:19

Well, I mean, think about it, you could alter text messages if I'm sure the government definitely has some capability of like being able to go through like if they wanted to go through my phone right now without me even acknowledging it. Stefan Luxembourg they probably have. They probably have. They know my search history.

SPEAKER_01: 18:35

Knowing you, they've definitely they've definitely checked your phone.

SPEAKER_00: 18:39

Right. Um, so I mean, like, what's to say that they can't just go through a text message and alter one word? That's gonna not really make a huge like standout. Like, if you were to say, Hey mom, how's it going? I'm going to the store, and like you were obviously, hey mom, I'm going to the gun store for this, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Change it alternately. It's like, no, here's the original text, here's this text.

SPEAKER_01: 18:59

Yeah, but what would be the point of changing it?

SPEAKER_00: 19:01

To make him look bad. Because again, if it's like if you want if the government wants to cover this up, like they weren't part of it.

SPEAKER_01: 19:07

So these texts are coming allegedly from Tyler's phone to his boyfriend to girlfriend.

SPEAKER_02: 19:16

Correct.

SPEAKER_01: 19:17

Okay, so then maybe if they were using Chat GPT to do it, then the AI would think, okay, I'm just gonna use automobile. Right. Okay, that makes sense now.

SPEAKER_00: 19:26

Yeah. So she was bringing that up. She goes, yeah, because like that just doesn't make any sense to me. And she pulled up the logs and it shows like how he normally speaks and everything like that, blah, blah, blah. Um, but also too, with Candace Owens, the one thing that I still find slightly disturbing throughout all of this, other than the conspiracy that the government did take out Charlie Kirk, is um Candace Owens right now is the only one that's trying to fight for justice for Charlie. What's Erica doing? Not saying that Erica is not grieving or anything, but Erica hasn't come out too much since that whole memorial service at the State Farm Auditorium and the Charlie Kirk show she recently just did. But she's like smiling, and I understand people grieve diff differently, but Candace Owen seems to be more upset than the wife of Charlie Kirk. So that is just a little concerning to me, but like I'm not insinuating anything either. It's just it's concerning.

SPEAKER_01: 20:26

Sounds like you are.

SPEAKER_00: 20:27

I might be, but like but like that that's just what I'm getting at is I'm like, it's confusing to me.

SPEAKER_01: 20:34

You would hate to think that the wife would have something to do with it, but again, that's you there's been history of it. You just never know about people, right?

SPEAKER_00: 20:42

You don't know, like she could be putting on an act for anybody knows, or she actually could just be grieving in her own different way, trying to because she's she's now the CEO of Turning Point USA.

SPEAKER_01: 20:51

She took over after Charlie Kirk, which is also kind of weird. That is although I'm glad it's not Ben Shapiro.

SPEAKER_00: 20:56

That is true, that is true. I would rather Erica Kirk than you know Ben Shapiro at that point.

SPEAKER_01: 21:03

Yes. I also heard that they were gonna get a hundred million dollars and from a certain country.

SPEAKER_00: 21:11

Oh, yeah. Can't really say that country without getting banned or something like that now.

SPEAKER_01: 21:15

Yeah, and then it's in the Middle East, it's relatively small, it has conflict with another country all the time.

SPEAKER_00: 21:21

And now they're about to commit genocide, you know, just the usual.

SPEAKER_01: 21:25

Yeah. I I mean, to be honest, with that situation, I really don't know anything about it to speak on it, but I I'd like to hear people's opinions. But I heard turning point was going to was um offered a hundred million dollars from said country and they turned it down. So a hundred million dollars.

SPEAKER_00: 21:48

I mean, probably did as weird as it may sound, a hundred million sounds great for me and you, but maybe to turning point USA, they probably already have yeah, but also if somebody within the company was like, hey, that's a lot of money that we could use, and yeah, you're then they probably running your mouth about this, and now they're not giving it to us.

SPEAKER_01: 22:08

Because I bet turning point, because Charlie was, I'm just gonna say it now. Charlie was starting to question Israel.

SPEAKER_00: 22:15

Yeah, he was. He was he was literally like even Candace Owens has brought that up too. He was like questioning everything, and he actually turned down some stuff that was going on too. Like there were some speakers, like he was told that he can't bring on, so he was being pressured.

SPEAKER_01: 22:28

Oh, yeah. Dave Smith, Tucker Carlson's one of them.

SPEAKER_00: 22:31

Yep, they he was being pressured into not talking to these people, otherwise, they'd like lose money and all this other stuff, funding, whatever. And then it came to that point, where then all of a sudden, conveniently at a Utah University, he just gets shot. And it's like he was gonna I I can guarantee you if he was still alive today and like the shooter missed or something like that, or left him in like critical condition, but he was alive today. I guarantee you after that, he would probably come out and say like everything that would be happening that he knew. I can guarantee it a hundred percent. Yeah, and that's why they wanted him out, just like again with JFK with his beliefs and everything like that. He wanted to help, and look what happened during a parade shot in the head, MLK, assassinated, Malcolm X, Abraham Lincoln, the list goes on. Yeah, so it's like what's so different about Charlie Kirk then at that point? If Charlie Kirk was trying to help and he was spreading real news, real debates, and real problems.

SPEAKER_01: 23:33

And actually changing people's minds.

SPEAKER_00: 23:35

Changing people's minds and helping helping them out. Like, we can't have that. So, what better way to get rid of somebody? Make it look like some teenage kid shot Charlie Kirk, but it was really us.

SPEAKER_01: 23:49

There's also that weird part about that old guy in the crowd who said it was him. That was uh that was No, I know it wasn't him, but what he I I think there's like something to do with him because they take him aside, and then next thing you know, he's arrested for child pornography, and now we can't question him about anything else except for that.

SPEAKER_00: 24:10

Right.

SPEAKER_01: 24:10

So why like how did they find that out about him so quickly?

SPEAKER_00: 24:14

I probably I just think that's weird. I think it's weird too. I think at first it was probably see, it could be several things, but I think one thing is it could just been a like a random like cover-up at that point till they like really knew or could come up with like a better thing because they're like this old guy cannot like make a 200-yard shot.

SPEAKER_01: 24:33

Well, he was in the crowd and nobody knew where the shot came from right then and there.

SPEAKER_00: 24:37

Right.

SPEAKER_01: 24:37

So if he if Charlie gets shot and then all of a sudden some guy's like screaming, it was me, it was me. Maybe he knew about it and was part of like a distraction. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00: 24:48

But there was also other liberals there too. Like, I don't know if you saw any other footage, but they were cheering after he just got shot in front of them.

SPEAKER_01: 24:55

Yeah, some people on this planet are sick. The other is just something that we have to accept.

SPEAKER_00: 25:00

The other thing I don't know if you saw too. This is the other thing that's very puzzling that also convinces me that the government was definitely 100% on it. Um, so everybody's wearing their MAGA hat or their 47 hat, um, or Charlie Kirk anything at that point. There was a guy that was being interviewed from like probably another student or something like that, I think it was, or like a small like Utah News Network or something. And he was like, Yeah, you know, Charlie, he just got shot in the neck. Nobody knows what's going on. We don't know if he's dead, we don't know if he's alive. And then some guy in like a MAGA hat and like a red shirt that just was like, um, I don't know what it said, I don't know if it was probably MAGA or something, but it was he was definitely looking like a conservative, you know what I mean? Like right side, yeah, and he like pushed the kid to the side and said, Hey, you need to shut up and like get out of here, no more questions, no more comments, and pushed him away. And I'm like, There's people being interviewed, and we just 3,000 students just saw Kirk get shot out of school. Like, who's not gonna have a reaction? Like, and then why are you if you're if you're pro-Trump and pro Kirk and conservative, why are you telling him to shut up and be quiet, no more interviews, when you're just a in a when you're a bystander? Because the guy was Jack too. So it looked like he definitely was like maybe a security thing or something like that, maybe, like you know, like how they have like undercover people like anywhere at airports, whatever. Like he could have been one of those, but at the same time, why are you gonna stop him from spreading the news about Charlie Kirk like literally just getting shot like two minutes ago, and him being rushed to the hospital at this point? Why are you pushing everybody away talking about what you saw? Because he was he was saying, like, yeah, I saw I saw like a I heard a bullet like being whizzed by from that direction, and it wasn't in the direction that the the tower that they supposedly like were saying it was originally shot from, and there's there's video of a guy running on a roof and everything like that. There's a video of a guy laying down on his stomach all in black on a roof.

SPEAKER_01: 27:06

Well, that would be Tyler, allegedly, right?

SPEAKER_00: 27:08

But these were all on different roofs too. These weren't like so. I'm like, hmm. Okay. So were there multiple like people just watching? Because even at the uh the State Farm Stadium, there were snipers everywhere. You know, obviously at that point, when somebody just got assassinated, I would assume that you know they're gonna take precaution. Because even on the stage, Erica and Trump had a big presidential bulletproof like thing right there, right in front of them. Because yeah, Erica's a target right now. At this point, so are the kids. Anybody that supports Trump or Trump himself is like a target, and that's sad that we live in a world like that where you can't speak your mind or do anything.

SPEAKER_01: 27:52

Yeah, we are regressing as a species.

SPEAKER_00: 27:55

But I will say too, I know that there's crazies on the right side. I know there are. I I know at least two of them that are crazies on the right side. And I'm like, those people make us look bad as conservatives. But from what I've witnessed, even going to a Trump rally like last year, there are some crazy lefts where they just provoke violence, hate speech, and everything. And that's sad. And again, I know not all lefts are bad. Like again, I was saying earlier on this podcast that there's TikToks where you know, I put like there's people that say, like, bury me in red because I have a rally to attend, and they show a picture of Charlie Kirk, and then there's the left side that say bury me in blue because I have a debate with this guy, and it's like that's the left side that I respect because they realize how messed up the situation is, and we shouldn't be just shooting somebody, taking them away because of their political beliefs or any beliefs for that matter, right? You know, yeah, like, but then that's where things happen. Like, we just had a guy uh basically shoot up and burn down a church in Michigan recently. He drove his truck into the church and started shooting people up.

SPEAKER_01: 29:10

Yeah, it was a Mormon one. Apparently, he believed that the Mormons were the Antichrist and that he was trying to stop them. Which but at the same time, he I mean, Mormons do not believe in the same Jesus as Christians. I'll be one of them to say it, but it obviously it gives him no right to smash his truck in there and shoot him.

SPEAKER_00: 29:29

Right. And then even too, right now, the one thing I actually hate, because you know, I don't you probably have had family members that have fought and died in war. I've had family members fought and die in war. We go back way to like General Custard, like my great great great whatever great grandfather to Williger, he's buried in Charlotte. And he fought with Custard back in the day. And then my grandpa fought in World War II. He was on the beaches in Normandy, my dad in Vietnam. My uncle, his his brother, Dave, fought in Vietnam in the jungles. My most current relative that was serving in Desert Storm was Chris. My uncle Chris. These people fought and died, or are just veterans of war. And you get people in Dearborn, Michigan cursing America and saying death to America. And I'm like, no, you need to leave. If you're literally giving that much a hate speech towards America and you hate it, you can leave. That's what that's what I agree with everybody. If you don't like the country you live in, leave. Try to come here legally. I still think that rule should apply.

SPEAKER_01: 30:42

But yeah, well, I think that Americans in general have just gotten really complacent. We like to come home, play our video games, watch TV, drink on the weekends.

SPEAKER_00: 30:52

Yep. Party, go to concerts, whatever you can think of.

SPEAKER_01: 30:55

And it's like we've heard it all our lives, freedom isn't free. And it's like you have to fight that here, too. You can't just say freedom isn't free and just expect us to go fight wars because sometimes the war is here. And I don't mean like a violent war.

SPEAKER_00: 31:09

I just mean like Yeah, it's like again, Dearborn Michigan. They're just saying death to America and all this other crap, and it's like they're causing problems. They're lighting the flag on fire. And I'm like, what are we doing? Like, what's with all the violence? And then somebody in Texas just got beheaded at a motel, and it's just like, what is happening? Bro, there have been more murders and everything in my lifetime than like even my dad's lifetime.

SPEAKER_01: 31:36

Yeah, but we're also there's also the internet, so we're hearing about it a lot more, seeing it a lot more.

SPEAKER_00: 31:42

Yeah, because if you do American history, obviously there wasn't all that back then in like 52 and everything. Like, yeah, you had like the Morse code and everything like that, or radio.

SPEAKER_01: 31:53

Yeah, there wasn't internet, but like some of the serial killer stuff is really creepy.

SPEAKER_00: 31:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 31:57

And that was happening. Some there's some serial killers in the 1800s that's very weird.

SPEAKER_00: 32:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 32:04

Like real. I mean, I'm talking cannibals.

SPEAKER_00: 32:07

And well, even too, like the most I guess you could say a more recent-ish one, probably when we were just thinking about being conceived was the Zodiac Killer. He still hasn't been found.

SPEAKER_01: 32:16

Yeah, that one's creepy. Well, all of them are really cool.

SPEAKER_00: 32:20

I think Jack the Ripper hasn't even been still discovered of who he was yet either.

SPEAKER_01: 32:24

Yeah, but that's never gonna get found out because that was like 200 something years ago.

SPEAKER_00: 32:27

No, but you know what was weird though, just side note to Jack the Ripper is they did at one point in the hall of evidence or whatever they got at the police stations for unsolved cases, they did have a piece of clothing from one of the prostitutes um that had other DNA on it that they were like, Yeah, this this isn't the girl's this isn't just the girl's blood. There was somebody else's blood on there. So whoever the prostitute was, like, threw a fight and like probably got some blood on her from him or her.

SPEAKER_01: 32:56

This is who the zodiac killer?

SPEAKER_00: 32:58

Jack the Ripper. Jack the Ripper. So they had technically proof of who it could have been, but it got lost in the archives.

SPEAKER_01: 33:06

Of course it did.

SPEAKER_00: 33:07

So it's probably still there, but I guarantee you by the time they find it, it's probably just gonna be dried up dust at this point because it's clothing from like what the 1600s, 1700s.

SPEAKER_01: 33:17

Uh, I think Jack the Ripper was like, yeah, 17, 1800s, somewhere around that time. But my point is that yes, there is more violence today, but I mean it's evil has always existed. I know. We're just more exposed to it, I think.

SPEAKER_00: 33:34

It's becoming more common. That's the problem. It shouldn't even be like that. Like, I feel bad for my brother's kids because they have to grow up with this. Like, they didn't know, like, me and you knew what 9-11 was. We saw it on TV. Yeah, we got sent home from Vanguard because of the the plane we were under attack. Yeah, we we saw the towers fall. We weren't there in New York, but we saw it. Uh-huh. And Jesse and Patience, my niece and nephew, they they they won't know what that's like. They're just like, it's just like some of the kids like today, they make 9-11 jokes, and it's like, but you weren't there. You weren't watching it on TV, you weren't seeing America get under attack. So for you to make a joke about it just because you don't fully understand it is like ridiculous. It's like people that make Holocaust jokes. You know, obviously there's a few survivors left from like World War II with the Holocaust from Auschwitz and everything.

SPEAKER_01: 34:30

Isn't it weird that one day there will be no survivors left?

SPEAKER_00: 34:33

There's no uh I don't think there's any soldiers from World War One in World War II anymore. I don't think I there might be only a couple from World War II left, but I don't think there's that many more. I think most of them have died. But there are still like Jewish, like because they were kids in the concentration camp. So they're still gonna be relatively old, like in their 80s and 90s now.

SPEAKER_01: 34:57

Right.

SPEAKER_00: 34:58

But it's if it's weird to think about too. I think they said like what it was so it was like maybe 70, 80 years ago when the Holocaust happened.

SPEAKER_01: 35:08

Like that's like during the 1940s, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 35:10

So I'm like, that's still in a way of like somewhat relative.

SPEAKER_01: 35:14

Yeah, it's not even a hundred years ago, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 35:16

Not even a hundred years ago, like that crap happened with Germany, and it's like, holy crap. Like, but why are we getting like why is there a need to just like I understand evil exists, but why is it like just it's like a daily occurrence now? It's crazy. Like, even recently, too, like even before Charlie Kirk died, there was that girl, I think her name was Isabel or something. She she was on a subway train.

SPEAKER_01: 35:39

Oh, it wasn't Isabel, I don't know her name, but she was from Ukraine.

SPEAKER_00: 35:42

Yeah, she was from Ukraine, and some guy just came up and stabbed her in the neck and said, I killed that white, you know, whatever. And I'm like, Okay, he was he had 15 felonies and he was released from prison like I think three times or something like that. And I'm like, so with 15 felonies and you're released from prison three times or whatever it was, why is he still roaming the streets at this point when he's clearly mentally unstable? And then he just killed an innocent girl, and then the people in the car, you saw the video footage, I saw the video footage. She just bled from her neck and just died in that train.

SPEAKER_01: 36:19

Uh, well, there's a lot of stuff, Stefan. First of all, people don't know how to I mean, I people don't know how to be human anymore, for one.

SPEAKER_00: 36:26

Yeah, that's the sad part. Nobody knows how to be human.

SPEAKER_01: 36:28

Everybody's glued to their phones. So if you're glued to your phone, you're constantly seeing what all this negative stuff because that's really what sells. If you had positive news stories, it's not gonna sell.

SPEAKER_00: 36:39

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01: 36:40

Um, people are depressed because they're on social media and they're showing it's uh comparison. Like you see people who have like great pictures or that have families and like we're not there. That's why I got rid of it. I got rid of social media, and now my phone is on I did like grayscale, so like it's just black and white. And so now I go out into the world and I'm so much happier because I don't really know everything that's going on. I'm not seeing all of my friends or people on Facebook that I don't know with their perfect lives, right? They're not actually perfect, but that's what it looks like, and it's the illusion of a perfect life, yeah. It's the illusion of a perfect life, and every time you see that, you're not thinking in your head, oh, this isn't real. You just think, man, I wish I had that or something, whether you want to or not. And so I I think that that's part of the problem is like just a huge mental health crisis. Yeah. Um, and if people were just getting off their phones and learned how to talk and look each other in the eye and have real conversations, like it used to be. Yeah, I think that we would start to be a little bit better off, but I don't think that's gonna happen.

SPEAKER_00: 37:46

Well, even like during so after the events of 9-11, even too, like a lot of people like came together. Like there were even celebrities that like went that were ex-firemen back in the day, and I forget the one actor's name, but he went down to New York and helped like a fire team, like dig people out and everything like that. Like, people were actually banding together. I remember my mom and dad would be at the grocery store, like at Meyer, like back when um, you know, like how they had the dollies where they would like wheel your groceries out for you or like whatever in the paper bags. Like back when Meyer was at that point. We I remember my mom and dad sometimes, like when they would buy us a toy or buy us groceries, and like somebody in line would be like maybe 20 bucks short from their bill. Dad would just whip out a 20. Mom would whip out a 10, you know, like everybody was willing to help each other out, and everybody was talking to each other. Neighbors were getting along with each other again. They were like, you know, I hope you have a great rest of the night and everything. Why don't you come over for dinner? You know, there were a few times where like I remember, I think mom and dad had like a few of our neighbors just come over for dinner. Like we had um, I don't remember Carla, Carla and uh George, I think were our neighbors across the street from when we were kids. And I mean, they came over for dinner, they we went over there for dinner and swam in the pool and just talked and hung out because we were under attack at that point. Like, and that's when everybody in America got brought together because they were like, bro, we're under attack and we need to like stop being stupid. Like, we need to, and social media I don't even think was that big back then because heck they had camcorders recording.

SPEAKER_01: 39:19

No, yeah, they weren't that. I don't even know if there was any social media, maybe like Zanga.

SPEAKER_00: 39:24

Maybe Zanga, maybe well, it was 2001. I don't know what other social media apps were like hold on a moment.

SPEAKER_01: 39:30

There definitely wasn't any apps, but there wasn't we didn't have phones like we do now.

SPEAKER_00: 39:35

Yeah, they were like just flip phones and everything like that.

SPEAKER_01: 39:38

Yeah, so I I think that people came together there because they saw that, and that was like the only big story, but there wasn't like everybody in their brother's opinion on YouTube about it.

SPEAKER_00: 39:50

Right, like you didn't have different things of like is this a truth or a lie?

SPEAKER_01: 39:54

Is this like like what really happened?

unknown: 39:56

Right.

SPEAKER_01: 39:56

It was just like you just th you saw those buildings fall.

SPEAKER_00: 40:00

There was Friendster and MySpace. Uh there was a lot of things. And even those still weren't like the greatest social media, like you could barely do anything with well, yeah, because it's not like you had the capability of like plugging your phone or just uploading a photo on your phone to like Facebook at that point. Like you just it was just uh, hey, I'm having a bad day at work, and then you would just play like Green Day or something like that in the background, pretty much was my space. That was all that that's all it was.

SPEAKER_01: 40:26

There was Yeah, so I think that's why people came together, but now you can't even say hi to somebody down the street media, and I would say that people are getting dumber too.

SPEAKER_00: 40:35

Although I will say this Whoa, so on Snap, uh so I posted it on Snapchat because I was like, it's rare moments like that that I'm like, there is still some hope. You know what I mean? For people, where I was riding my bike and I was going to family fair. I just wanted to get like a donut and a coffee, you know, kind of thing, you know, just to have for like a snack because it was Saturday, it's the weekend, you know. And this guy comes up, this uh not an older, older guy, but like I would say he was probably like in his like 50s, 60s, maybe. And he comes up and he goes, Hey man, I really like that bike. And I'm like just getting ready to leave too, and everything. He goes, Oh yeah, I'm like, I just bought this off the lot like two years ago, you know, ten thousand dollars. He goes, dude, I like it. It's basic. It's the black is amazing on it. He goes, I love the decal that weave the people on the back that I have on the back fender with the American flag. Yeah, and he goes, and the military starts, he goes, You would you do military? And I was like, No, my dad served, my uncle served, my my whole family served. And um, the last one was my uncle and Desert Storm and everything like that. And so he goes, You know, I can appreciate that. We don't have too many people that are willing to like just parade that down every now and again on motorcycles or anything like that. Maybe a flag here or there, but you know, you got the military stars, you got the he goes, You plan on doing anything else with this? And yeah, probably a few more decals, get a windshield, all that other kind of stuff, and some flags. And he goes, you know, man, I appreciate that. I he goes, I don't whenever I try to like come up to people and just even say, like, hey, you know, your shirt looks great, he goes, I usually just get silence and everything, but he's like, I really appreciate you like letting just having a conversation like this. I said, dude, I'm the same way. He goes, Well, how old are you? I was like, I'm 32. I said, like, I grew up when, you know, again, like 9-11 happened, and it's just like everybody was a little bit more social back then when we were kids, but nowadays I can't even go up to say uh say hi to somebody. So you go, I'm like, I appreciate your conversation. So it's like I just had this conversation with some random 50, 60 year old about my motorcycle. That's how it started out, and we just talked for like five minutes. And I'm like, and then we and then I said, Yeah, I gotta get going though. But it, you know, I appreciate you talking to me. And he goes, Yeah, I appreciate you know showing me your bike and you know, talking. It was really nice to just you know, just talk to somebody, you know.

SPEAKER_01: 42:51

Well, I also don't think that people are meant to live in these big giant cities. There's no way we could ever be friends with everybody in Grand Rapids.

SPEAKER_00: 42:58

So it's like you got like what 50,000 people or more.

SPEAKER_01: 43:01

I think it's 400,000.

SPEAKER_00: 43:04

That was just a little off.

SPEAKER_01: 43:06

It's either uh it might I mean mine might be a little off too. It's either 200,000 or 400,000.

SPEAKER_00: 43:11

I want to, yeah, it's probably like maybe in the middle, maybe 300, something like that. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01: 43:15

Yeah, so but I think that's part of the problem too, is we just you live in these big giant cities, they're crowded, traffic, everybody's on edge, and so it just makes you angry.

SPEAKER_00: 43:26

Yeah, and I mean that's where I want to move out into the country because I'm like in the maybe not country country, but like small town country, you know what I mean? Because then it's like you at least maybe have a population of a few thousand people or so, and yeah, and you get you're supposed to see the same people, yeah. You see the same people and everybody's friendly, but I mean, even just that interaction yesterday, like made my day.

SPEAKER_01: 43:47

Oh, that happened yesterday, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 43:49

That happened yesterday. I was just like, this is crazy.

SPEAKER_01: 43:52

I'm like should have bought him a donut.

SPEAKER_00: 43:53

I I really did because I I had two, and I really thought about giving him one because I was like, bro, like this made my day right here, and I made his day too. And you know, he goes, Yeah, I really do appreciate that. And then he waved to me as he uh he turned left and I turned right, and uh yeah, I was just like, this is where I have a little bit of hope in humanity still, because at least there's some people out there that are willing to have a conversation with somebody. And even today at Starbucks, when I went to go get the Mint Majesties, like the the guy behind the counter, he was sitting there talking to me, and I was wearing my freedom shirt, you know, the Charlie Kirk shirt, and he goes, you know, what happened to him was definitely not okay. And it's like, you know, I hope people realize that they just regardless of their beliefs, like they should just shouldn't be taken. A life shouldn't be taken for that.

SPEAKER_01: 44:36

Well, I'm I'm glad to know that I did drink the whole thing and I haven't died yet, so I don't think we poisoned it.

SPEAKER_00: 44:42

No, and I mean again, I already drank mine, I just finished the last slip. But yeah, there it's good tea, but just again, small interactions like that, that that gives me hope for humanity that like we're not all like dead inside at that point. Like, yeah, there might be a most of us that are, but like there's still the some of us that are they're out there, you know, and you can re even relate it today. Like you think that there's no loyal people out there, but it's really the loyal people are the ones that are quiet and single because they're just nobody else wants to be loyal.

SPEAKER_01: 45:11

Well, that's because you most of them are on TikTok or YouTube and they see these stupid YouTube shorts or something. Yeah, well, like men are all bad or women are all horrible. And it's like the the majority of women that I talk to in my life have no negative thoughts toward me. No, I didn't know what words to use. And the interactions between them are always pretty positive. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00: 45:36

And I mean singles.

SPEAKER_01: 45:37

So I don't like I I haven't met these women in person who need me to be six foot eight, like make six figures a year kind of. Making a million dollars a year. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 45:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 45:48

I I I just haven't met a woman who is who's thought that in my own personal life. But what do you do when you go on the internet? It's all you see.

SPEAKER_00: 45:57

Is just negative feedback. Yeah, so you start so you just start to believe that well, even even too, with the like Charlie Kirk stuff that was going on. Like, I don't know, I told you I think, but like I got like death threats for just being Republican and like being like, bro, this is messed up. Death threats where from literally old friends. So one guy I met, his name is Caleb too, and he's uh actually from Canada, but I think he moved um to America at one point. I don't know what state he's in anymore, but he moved here, and me and him were really good friends. We actually met on Little Big Planet, and we would create sonic stuff together, like music and costumes and stuff, and like we were really good friends, and we we're both artists, so we're like complimenting each other's artwork, trying to repost and get like you know, people and followers and stuff like that. We were helping each other, and then the very minute that Charlie Kirk got shot, and then I said, if you guys support, because I've already because beforehand I already saw everybody's like, Yeah, he's dead, blah blah blah. And I was like, if you support what happened to Charlie Kirk, like you need to delete me at this point because I don't want to be your friend. That's sick and disgusting.

SPEAKER_01: 47:07

Yeah, and yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 47:08

And he he sent me a message basically saying that I should have joined Charlie Kirk getting shot in the neck, you Republican piece of you know, yeah, and he was just like saying, All you Republicans are crazy and you know R E T, you know, so on the rest of the lettering. Um and he just went on and on and on. And then he found my TikTok and he and then I didn't even post anything Charlie Kirk related at that moment. But he went on all my stuff and he commented a picture of Charlie Kirk getting shot in the neck, and then he goes, serves him right. And I'm like, Oh, okay, cool. So we're playing that. So I blocked him.

SPEAKER_01: 47:45

Yeah, that's right.

SPEAKER_00: 47:46

And I was like, Yeah, I'm like, bro, that's sickening. And then I'm not gonna say where this person works at, um, but I did know them from a job that I worked at, and they were sending me death threats for just being Republican bringing Trump into office, and I'm like, you know, I don't agree with Joe Biden and Harris about what they do. And even when I found out that Joe Biden had cancer or signs of cancer, um I wasn't wishing death upon him. I'm a decent human being.

SPEAKER_01: 48:17

Yeah, I didn't even know he had it.

SPEAKER_00: 48:18

Yeah, I found out news about it. I'm like, I mean, I hate the guy, don't get me wrong, but I'm like, I don't wish death upon him. I don't. I like I don't I don't care for Joe Biden. I think he's an idiot, but at the same time, I'm like, I'm not wishing death upon him. Yeah. I'm not like I have one person that I work with that actually is like she constantly talks about having Trump getting shot in the back of the head and just being put out because I'm a stupid Republican that put him in office and everything like that. And I've reported her already. But I'm like, that's not okay to talk about. I'm sorry, dude. It's toxic.

SPEAKER_01: 48:52

Sounds like you need to start carrying, dude.

SPEAKER_00: 48:54

I mean, I have open carry. Michigan, you can open carry. I just don't have a concealer, so I don't feel like waving around my gun, you know what I mean? Yeah, I don't either. But at the same time, it's just like, why is it just because you vote for somebody or you believe something? Like, it what is it? It's gonna get to that point eventually with the rapture where Christians are gonna get singled out.

SPEAKER_01: 49:16

Because they're indoctrinated, man.

SPEAKER_00: 49:18

I know they're indoctrinated, but like what I'm just here's the thing. But why are you gonna death threaten somebody for just their belief at that point? Like, because Caleb was gay. Caleb was gay, he was dating a trans, and I'm like, you know, that's his life. He you can do what you want, boo-boo. You can do what you want, you know? But the minute I'm like sitting here saying, like, man, rest in peace, Charlie Kirk, nothing violent, nothing blaming the left, nothing.

SPEAKER_01: 49:47

Yeah, it's like you're not looking for a fight, and then they just I get a death threat. They come and bring it, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 49:52

And I lost five friends because I voted for Trump and then like was like rest in peace, Charlie Kirk, and my condolences to family and friends and fans of him. And I'm like, so that's just people showing their true kind of thing.

SPEAKER_01: 50:05

Well, them they're just weren't friends of yours.

SPEAKER_00: 50:06

Yeah, I know. That that's how I look at it.

SPEAKER_01: 50:08

And you wouldn't want to be friends with those people anyway, because as soon as you start questioning anything, they just like get really, really mad.

SPEAKER_00: 50:16

Yep.

SPEAKER_01: 50:16

Well like I've had that with people, even my family, who is more left where they'll say something and I don't I know nothing about the situation. Right. Right. Like I don't I haven't seen anything about it. And I ask them a question and they just lose their mind. And it's like, I just asked a question, so it's like they they can't comprehend. It's because it's it's their religion. So, like us, we're Christian, and I I hope you're Christian before you're Republican.

SPEAKER_00: 50:45

Well, yeah, right.

SPEAKER_01: 50:46

So we're both Christian first, and so our uh soul is believes in Jesus Christ, who says that uh I am the well that never runs dry. And he doesn't change his opinions, he's always set in stone, you know, build your house on the rock, I'm the rock, basically. But their religion is their politics. So when their politics lets them down, they have nothing to live for now.

SPEAKER_00: 51:14

Yeah, they get mad.

SPEAKER_01: 51:15

So it's actually really when you really start to think about it, it's more sad because these people basically have to live hell on earth, and then if they don't put their trust in Jesus, when they die, they go to hell for real. And so there's never at peace.

SPEAKER_00: 51:31

No. It's it is a sad world we live in. And I mean, I feel bad for this girl that I work with because I'm like, dude, like you can't be like, I get it, like, sure, you're gonna argue, and some people probably even watching this podcast are gonna argue about freedom of speech, you know. Say what you want about whoever and whatever, but there's a degree of it that's like, okay, you're you're in that line where you're crossing it a little bit, where it's a little bit more of insanity at that point. If you're bringing up Trump constantly getting shot in the back of the neck, or bringing up Charlie Kirk getting shot in the neck and wanting his family to wish the same death and everything daily, hourly, and that's all you can think about. Maybe you need to go to Pine Rest and get yourself checked in.

SPEAKER_01: 52:15

Yeah, that's fair to say, I think. Because I think, yeah, you can say whatever you want, but I'm also allowed to not be friends with you if you say something dumb.

SPEAKER_00: 52:23

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01: 52:24

Like I'm not asking for you to be taken away and jailed for the rest of your life, but I'm just unless it becomes actual threats, right? Then that's when it then that's when it crosses the line. But I all I also have the freedom to be like, you're saying stuff that I don't agree with and it's annoying, and I just don't want to be around here anymore. Right. And I think that's fair.

SPEAKER_00: 52:43

Right. That that's you know, set case and done at that point. So, and then even with um what else was there that happened recently with all that? Um I mean, you can even maybe argue the same thing with the whole immigration thing that's going on right now with ICE, where people are saying, like, oh, they're not taking illegals out, they're just taking whoever is illegal, like not illegal criminals like Trump is saying, like they're doing. And I'm like, I see videos all the time. And I mean, obviously, you know me. I'm more on social media than well.

SPEAKER_01: 53:16

Here's the thing, Stefan, too, is and I and there's really dumb people on the right too. Yeah, there are. Yeah. The left media knows how dumb their followers are. Yeah. So they can have some teenage kid go on TikTok and say, Hey, ICE is taking people who aren't illegal, and they're just gonna believe them.

SPEAKER_00: 53:35

Yeah. Well, well, what I'm getting at too is like, so there's actual news outlets like Daily Mail, Fox News, CNN, whatever on TikTok or Facebook, whatever kind of way that they have to inform people. They there there was a guy recently at a grocery store minding his own business or something like that, supposedly. And ICE came in, swatted the building, and like got him and take it took him away to like wherever they take him, the border, whatever they some facility where they make him fill out paperwork for whatever for being illegal. And it's like I get that there's people here that want to become actual US citizens that want to work and live in a better country. I'm all for that. Come here legally, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 54:21

Like I think in in cases like that, I wonder if there's like a way they could possibly help them out.

SPEAKER_00: 54:29

That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_01: 54:29

Is like because I do, and I know that I'm gonna get a lot of crap from the conservative side, but I do think it's a bit of an overcorrection. But I do too. But that's what we do here is like the if now if a Democrat gets elected again, they're just gonna blow open the wall and let everybody.

SPEAKER_00: 54:46

It's just like it's just a rinse and repeat cycle all over.

SPEAKER_01: 54:49

Yeah, it's like there has to be someone more level-headed about it because nobody wants like the grandma selling street tacos to be sent back.

SPEAKER_00: 54:58

Right. It's just like we need like drug lords and like sex traffickers and everything like that to get it.

SPEAKER_01: 55:05

Like and and people have to be able to admit that yes, bad people come over the border. Yeah, not all of them, not all, but some. It's just like we have to know that. And so, like, I I do wish that there was a way that they could help out the people who, yeah, they came here illegally, which if Biden was allowing you, wouldn't you do that? Right. Like, heck yeah, I'm coming over.

SPEAKER_00: 55:28

Yeah, I'm coming over with no consequences.

SPEAKER_01: 55:29

Um, and so like, because some of those people do actually contribute to society.

SPEAKER_00: 55:33

Yeah, they do, like, they do jobs that I wouldn't do. Like, if it was picking up pig poop or if it was like picking out like like berries out in a field, like in a hot, like 90 to 100 degree weather, like I'm not gonna want to do that. I could do that, but but you know what I mean. Like, there's people that aren't.

SPEAKER_01: 55:48

I just think it's wrong that they pay them such crappy wages.

SPEAKER_00: 55:51

I think they should be paired like, well, even for the U.S. citizens, I feel like at that point the U.S. citizen should be definitely taken care of first before it's like I agree with that.

SPEAKER_01: 56:00

But I'm just saying, like the reason why a lot of people are upset is because prices are gonna go up now because they've been getting away with paying these people who work really hard really crappy wages because they can pay them under the table.

SPEAKER_00: 56:14

And I think that's wrong. Well, I mean, I don't know if you also heard too, but the Biden administration just got caught laundering money pretty much and sending it over to other countries. Like they put sent like over$3.5 billion over to some I whatever country it is in the Middle East that starts with a D um for electric buses, and then they spent uh$300 million for male prostitutes in uh some other Middle Eastern country, and then they spent uh another$500 million on something else over not in not in a Middle Eastern, but like somewhere else over in another country for um what was it? Um I think for abortions and all this other stuff, and I'm just like so and you know, maybe again some people are gonna argue this, but why am I struggling to try to find an apartment that's at a decent wage where I'm working my butt off at work to try to get set apartment, but yet the rent keeps right uh rising at that point and nothing is getting cheaper, but yet we're just able to we're taxed on everything. Like I'm taxed on my car that I'm owning to drive, to get taxed to work, to tax to eat, to tax to whatever, and then I owe taxes, but then get only like maybe a thousand dollars back. I'm like, but yet you want to spend millions of dollars for male prostitutes over in a Middle Eastern country to learn lap dances. Like, are you kidding?

SPEAKER_01: 57:46

These are priorities, man.

SPEAKER_00: 57:48

Yeah, apparently. But you get you get where I'm coming from. It's like take care of your American citizens first. Make sure that if if you're gonna work and you actually want to work and you actually want to contribute, you should be able to have a livable wage. I should be able to have an apartment or a home. I should be able to be able to at least live comfortably. I don't have to have like a the most luxury life like Dwayne the Rock Johnson, where I'm living a you know, a 20-bedroom mansion with five swimming pools and six arcades. I'm like, I just want a small, maybe even just a single wide mobile home that's in decent shape that I can just sit down, pay my water, electric, and just those mobile homes are pretty big on the inside. That's what I'm saying is I'm like, I don't need anything big. Nobody needs anything that big. They want stuff that's big, but they don't need stuff that's big.

SPEAKER_01: 58:36

That's true. Okay. Um, with the whole Charlie Carr thing that happened, what do you think is gonna be the aftermath now? Do things get better, do things get worse?

SPEAKER_00: 58:47

In a way, I think a mixture of both. I think in the way that it gets better is that a lot of people are gonna be able to they're standing up for themselves and what they believe in at this point.

SPEAKER_02: 58:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 59:00

Like me, I walked in with a freedom shirt that everybody knows that Charlie Kirk wore. Everybody knows that Charlie Kirk stands for this. Yep. I've even walked into stores with that where it says Charlie Kirk on the back with the turning point, USA, the American flag, and his name on it. So people are tired of the violence, and I think people are gonna stand up to it a lot more.

SPEAKER_01: 59:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 59:24

Now the con to that is that there's probably gonna be more violence as we can see. There's still riots going on. There's the National Guard getting sent. I don't know if you heard, but um I think JD Vance or Trump mentioned something about uh because of what Whitmer's doing right now here in Michigan, um National Guard might be coming to Michigan.

SPEAKER_01: 59:46

I don't even know what she did. And I live here.

SPEAKER_00: 59:48

It's Whitmer.

SPEAKER_01: 59:50

Yeah, what did she do in Michigan?

SPEAKER_00: 59:52

She's been like she's very democratic, first of all.

SPEAKER_01: 59:54

Well, yeah. Well, you mean like Democrat?

SPEAKER_00: 59:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 59:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 59:57

Yeah, she's very democratic. She's all for like bringing The illegals in here without any kind of paperwork and everything else. She's into the whole like Black Lives Matter movement and making it to where basically it's like impossible for anybody. Like she's okaying and funding all these like riots and everything like that, too. Like she was also caught with part of that too. She was caught with with at least funding some of that. Not all of it, but some of it for the riots that happened a few years ago for George Floyd. She also was funding all this stuff. She was like, she's just giving money away for like EBT and everything like that, too. Or the um, what do you call it? Um what there's like a it's where they give money to like um I can't think of the word.

SPEAKER_01: 1:00:43

But why would the National Guard have to come here?

SPEAKER_00: 1:00:46

Because there's a lot more violence going on, especially with Dearborn right now. That that that's mainly what sparked it is what happened in Dearborn, where these Muslims are just there and they're just like death to America and they're burning the flag and like starting crap. It's like, yeah, no, the National Guard is definitely coming. But yeah, Whitmer Whitmer is just like okaying all this to happen. Not the National Guard, but she's okaying for all this stuff to happen. The riots and funding and giving like well welfare, that's what I was thinking of. She's giving welfare away to like she's just approving it. So like anybody can basically apply for welfare, anybody can apply for like food stamps or whatever, and she's just just like here you go, for the state of Michigan, you're approved, and you may not even need it. So I know I can afford my food and groceries, but like if I wanted to, I could go get an EBT card, I could go get food stamps, I could go get whatever, and she's just okaying it just because, and it's like, bro, that's not the point. And it's mainly for illegals at this point. It's it's not for like the working class, like me or my brother, it's for the illegals that she's like funding this for. So it's like, how about you take care of the Michigan residents first, the US Michigan residences that are here legally, and then get to the immigrants at that point. Not saying you shouldn't take care of them if they're here to actually work and be a US citizen. But make sure like you take care of the current residents first that actually need it, that actually deserve it. Not the ones that are just I need it, but yet you see at the grocery stores, they're like, I need my EBT. I have my welfare check, and I'm buying 20 packs of Bush Light, and then oh yeah, my EBT card, I'll just get a thing of milk and cereal for the children. Sorry, if you got money for that, you got money for that. So you don't need to be on EBT at that point if you're buying cigarettes, beer, lotto, or anything like that.

SPEAKER_01: 1:02:36

You can Stefan, I think a lot of people would agree with you on that. Yeah. Do you think that there's gonna be a Christian revival now that this whole thing is?

SPEAKER_00: 1:02:44

I think I don't know if it'll be as big as what maybe some people are thinking, but I think it'll be big enough to make an impact.

SPEAKER_01: 1:02:50

Well, look at you. Aren't you gonna be doing something?

SPEAKER_00: 1:02:53

Yeah, I'm gonna I already applied for Turning Point USA and everything like that, and I'm already doing my own thing. I'm not afraid to share my beliefs or anything like that anymore.

SPEAKER_01: 1:03:01

Yeah, that's good.

SPEAKER_00: 1:03:02

And all my little problems that I did have before, like you know about them. Like I was going through some mental crap.

SPEAKER_02: 1:03:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 1:03:09

You know, all that just was like after Charlie Kirk's assassination and rethinking some things. I'm like, my problems aren't so big.

SPEAKER_01: 1:03:16

So I'm do you think that's gonna last or do you think it's an emotional?

SPEAKER_00: 1:03:19

No, it's it's gonna last.

SPEAKER_01: 1:03:21

It better.

SPEAKER_00: 1:03:21

Well, I mean, think about it already, it's already been a month pretty much since his assassination, too.

SPEAKER_01: 1:03:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 1:03:27

And usually with me, I already know my patterns of how this would work, is I would be okay for like a week or two, and then like after that, it would just start declining, declining, declining. And then I would get back up and then decline, decline, decline.

SPEAKER_01: 1:03:41

What are you gonna be doing for turning point?

SPEAKER_00: 1:03:44

I probably I don't know what I would have that like maybe just either setting up debate stuff like the tables or whatever they got going on there for like different universities and stuff if they're still gonna be doing the debates or helping out with charity events, whatever they do down there. I I looked it up a little bit, but like they don't really give too many job descriptions of what you can do. Like they just ask you, are you a student? Are you a US citizen? Are you male, female, are you like whatever? And then here's where you can work. And it says like Phoenix, Arizona, or Washington, DC, or wherever else they have stationed. So they don't really give like a full job description, but you can select careers, and then they are like, Yeah, you could, you know, there's maybe like this you can do. And it's just like a very vague description. So I'm like, I'm still researching it a little bit.

SPEAKER_01: 1:04:32

That's kind of weird. You think they'd let you know?

SPEAKER_00: 1:04:34

I mean, I'm sure they do. I think I just probably over skimmed it pretty much at that point.

SPEAKER_01: 1:04:39

Yeah, but I'm knowing you, knowing me, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 1:04:41

I'm I'll I'll I'll I'll fully admit it. Like, there's some things I'll just like skim through and be like, yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01: 1:04:46

What if you what if you show up? Say they offer you a job in Arizona and then all of a sudden it's like custodial work. That wouldn't be so bad, but what if they were like, we need you to be a human shield? I'd be terrified. Like when they're debating when when like our guy is debating, you stand in front of them just in case somebody shoots and you can't.

SPEAKER_00: 1:05:05

Can you six figures a year? Maybe. I'm just saying. But yeah, I mean, like, that's I I think it would be kind of nice to like help out, but I will say is like my patriotism has like come out a little bit more too.

SPEAKER_01: 1:05:18

But what about your Christianity?

SPEAKER_00: 1:05:20

Christianity too. I'm like, I'm not afraid at work to like tell people like I'm Christian, like what you're doing is wrong, or anything like that. If like they're gonna bring up something like with the whole Charlie Kirk or Trump getting shot in the back of the head kind of thing, like where you're like, Yeah, I wish Trump would just get shot, and you know, he's dead, you're a stupid Republican. I'm like, hey, honestly, Ray, like before I I would I would just like not speak my mind, like I just kind of like, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, whatever, blah, blah. Like turn the other cheek, you know. Yeah, I I just be like, look, dude, I'm like, you are crossing a line, I'm not appreciating it, and I'm sure other people in here, they may be for you, they may not be for you. But out of respect, I would just ask you to please stop. If it continues, I'm gonna take it up a notch and I'm gonna send it to HR or I'm gonna talk to my boss about it, and it's not okay. I don't agree with it. You don't see me talking about Biden getting shot in the back of the head. You don't see me talking about Harris, you know, getting run over by a car or something stupid happening to her. I'm like, I'm respecting that you are a Democrat, I am Republican, we both have different viewpoints of how the country should be run. You're wishing death upon somebody and calling me a stupid Republican when I have not said anything to you about being a liberal, and you're literally acting like one. So I'm like, if you wanna if you want to get into this, then after we clock out at five o'clock, we can talk all you want. But while we are at work, I would ask you to shut up. Is what I literally did. I looked at her and I said, I'd ask you to shut up. And if it continues, I'm gonna go to my boss or HR. That's literally what I told her.

SPEAKER_01: 1:07:02

I think more of these issues would be solved if people got headgear and boxing gloves and just were like, hey, let's just like duke it out in the backfield.

SPEAKER_00: 1:07:11

Oh, one-on-one. Yeah. Oh my gosh, that's mouth guards.

SPEAKER_01: 1:07:15

I mean, you wouldn't get hurt, you don't really get hurt with those headgear.

SPEAKER_00: 1:07:18

But I also Yeah, but you can get your ear bitten off like Mike Tyson back in the day.

SPEAKER_01: 1:07:21

Not if you wore headgear. Because it protects your ears.

SPEAKER_00: 1:07:25

Oh, yeah, sure.

SPEAKER_01: 1:07:27

And I'm not and I'm also saying keep it civil with like just the box gloves. I'm not saying like start biting people, which is weird.

SPEAKER_00: 1:07:35

Well, I mean, back then it was kind of a whole different breed of people, too, you know. Like they were a lot more like I guess you could say tough back then.

SPEAKER_01: 1:07:42

Testosterone was higher.

SPEAKER_00: 1:07:43

Yeah, compared to now, testosterone's like low as crap. Yeah, like you can't even get like half the guys to like even ask a girl out anymore. Because I mean, again, also there's complications with that. Same thing with women with S.

SPEAKER_01: 1:07:56

It is scary.

SPEAKER_00: 1:07:57

It is, it is scary.

SPEAKER_01: 1:07:58

But also, it's like where? Because you it'd be nice to do it at the gym. Yeah. But then it's like if she rejects you. You know what? We're in our 30s. If she rejects us, it's really not the end of the world.

SPEAKER_00: 1:08:08

No, but also, too, like, okay, this might be contradicting to some people. I'm just gonna say it, but there's women in there that literally dress to make you look at them. And then if you approach them and be like, hey, do you need help lifting that dumbbell or something like that? They're like, Oh my god, you're sexualizing me. And then like they'll go get staff and then you're banned from the gym.

SPEAKER_01: 1:08:25

Yeah, I I'm sure it does happen.

SPEAKER_00: 1:08:27

When I'm at the gym, even though I'm single, like I don't approach women. Like the only time I've really talked to a woman is either asking her if she's done with the machine or if um, like there was a couple girls when I was on the treadmill and they were using the um what are they called? The they start with an L or something like that, but like you put your feet down and you have like the little pegs that you do this. Elliptical. Elliptical. They were trying to get it turned on and they turned on the button and it wasn't turning on, and they were like, What the heck? And I said, You just gotta start running with it, and then it'll turn on on its own, and then it'll start tracking you. Like, oh, okay, thank you. And that was it. That's all the conversation I'm having with a woman there. And if a woman approaches me, I'm sorry at the gym, I'm there to focus.

SPEAKER_01: 1:09:09

Oh, Steph, and if a hot girl came at the gym and you were and started talking to me, he's like, I'm really into you. Do you want my number? You're gonna be like, sorry, I'm too focused on my work.

SPEAKER_00: 1:09:16

No, there's a difference. If there's a hot girl that comes up to me outside of the gym, then it's free game. If it's at the gym, I know it's a trap. Because I'm not gonna get set up of a possibility of a 50-50 chance of a girl's like saying, Oh, he was coming on to me and he did something to me. Because think about it this way how often do you hear about a guy reporting a girl for sexual harassment at a gym? Never exactly. You never hear about a guy getting molested or whatever by the way.

SPEAKER_01: 1:09:48

There goes the monetization on this video.

SPEAKER_00: 1:09:50

Well, it's not the other R word.

SPEAKER_01: 1:09:52

I know. So I mean And there's plenty of other words we used anyway. Yeah, I always joke about that.

SPEAKER_00: 1:09:57

But like that, that is a true fact, is like you don't see too many like men coming up to like the the custodial desk or whatever, the customer service desk and be like, hey, you know, she's harassing me over there, she's wearing tight, skimpy clothes and everything, and she came up to me and wanted to ask me out, she won't leave me alone. It's like they're not gonna do anything, they're just like, she's a woman, it's fine. But then if if a girl comes up to them and says, Hey, this guy like at the treadmill over there, he won't leave me alone. I they're gonna kick you out, even if you had nothing to do with it, and you don't even you didn't you were just wearing your headphones minding your own business.

SPEAKER_01: 1:10:30

Stefan, I gotta be honest with you. I don't know what you're watching, but I don't think that happens so often.

SPEAKER_00: 1:10:35

It has happened. Uh, I was at the gym with Brian one day, my buddy Brian, not the one from Utah, but like the one that's that I work with, and he uh we witnessed it firsthand. We were like, bro, bro was just minding his own business because the because the people came up because they saw us looking at him, and they like one of the uh customer service reps came up and he goes, Did you guys see what happened? Because like you guys were right near the event, and we were like, he literally was just listening to music the entire time, and it's like he wasn't even doing anything. She came up, she was literally wearing like yoga pants that like you could see every curve. No joke. And then she's wearing the sports bra that again you can see every curve. So it's like I understand maybe with women's clothing for the gym, it's maybe difficult to like find athletic clothing.

SPEAKER_01: 1:11:19

It's not to a degree they do it on purpose, everybody knows it. I'm tired of like beating around the bush saying that they don't, they do it for attention, they like the attention, and then when they can use it against you, they do. I get it. But I have yet to I mean, I've gone up to women and I've never gotten charged.

SPEAKER_00: 1:11:39

Well, no, and neither have I, but like when we saw when me and my buddy Brian saw it at like the Alpine uh gym that we go to, that's what we saw, and it was like, what the heck just happened? Like, and the guy walked out, like he was actually like upset, and they're like they didn't say anything about him being banned or anything, because yeah, we're gonna have to ask you to leave, man. Like, she's she's really complaining about you and everything, and he just like walked out and he just was like upset, and we're just like if that happened, I would have canceled my membership on the spot.

SPEAKER_01: 1:12:08

Would you actually probably well it it's it's hard because it well because you can always just go to a different one, but at the same time, it's like if they really kicked you out for no reason, right?

SPEAKER_00: 1:12:20

Because it's like at that point they're gonna have to view cameras and do all this other crap, and they don't want to do that, so they're just gonna be like, Oh, okay, well, we're just gonna believe the woman because she's a woman at that point, versus if a guy did it again like what we saw, like they're not gonna believe the guy, they're just gonna believe the girl at that point because it's more prone to happen to women than it is to men at that point.

SPEAKER_01: 1:12:41

Okay, well, someday we'll have to do yeah, we'll do another thing.

SPEAKER_00: 1:12:44

I don't know why I got so amped up on that.

SPEAKER_01: 1:12:46

I have to an episode on Jim Attire and men being weird and women being weird or whatever. But the the last thing I really want to talk about is Yeah, um, I think that to solve this problem, like what you are going through, Christians need to be more expressive with their faith. And it doesn't mean you have to be a jerk, but like just to stand up for yourself, yeah, and and boycott things. Right. My uh my brother wanted to go see a movie the other day, uh Stephen King won. And I didn't even look good anyway. I didn't want to see it regardless. But I was just like, I'm not going to that movie because when Charlie Kirk died, Stephen King was like, Well, he was into stoning gays. So and it's like, first of all, it's a lie.

SPEAKER_00: 1:13:32

Right. Nobody you know what's funny though, too, is whenever they have an argument with Kirk, they always like pull up certain clips, they don't listen to the full clip about it.

SPEAKER_01: 1:13:40

Yeah, well, we all know that.

SPEAKER_00: 1:13:42

Yeah, they just like pick, they pick and choose the words, and then they're just like, Well, he's a fascist. It's like, okay, do you know what a fascist is? Do you know why he's a fascist? What did he say that was racist? I'm pretty sure he's not racist. He's friends with a black woman and a black friend.

SPEAKER_01: 1:13:55

Well, you can say that about anybody. You you could have friends that were black and still uh secretly hate him, but I don't think Charlie Kirk was racist. Yeah, I think the clips that they take, they take them out of context, they're not listening to the whole thing. But that's just the world we live in.

SPEAKER_00: 1:14:10

It is because social media has ruined everything.

SPEAKER_01: 1:14:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 1:14:13

I'll agree with that. Social media has 100% ruined everything.

SPEAKER_01: 1:14:16

Short form has too. But it's so easy to just sit there and scroll video after video.

SPEAKER_00: 1:14:22

Yep, and again, you're going to only look for the negative because it's more interesting at that point versus positive. The ozone could patch itself up at this point, and everybody'd be like, eh.

SPEAKER_01: 1:14:30

Yeah, you probably have a point there. Anyway, we're at about an hour and 15. I don't really have anything to talk about left about any of the situation.

SPEAKER_00: 1:14:40

I don't either, other than just basically I think what you what you said is right is that like, you know, Christians need to come out a little bit more and start like standing up from themselves again, not being a jerk about it. But they need to like start showing their faith a little bit more and that they're not as intimidated like how it used to be before. Because I feel like before, if you were if you came out as Christian, like you could be like basically like frowned upon, or like even basically I mean, you could still be threatened to this day at this point for being Christian. But right now, I think with what happened with Charlie Kirk's death is that it sparked something, it sparked a movement of some kind.

SPEAKER_01: 1:15:18

Yeah, it sparked a movement, and there will be a lot of good that comes from it from the spiritual side, but there's also a lot of bad coming from the spiritual side, and that's something that I think would be a lot more fun to talk about. Well, I shouldn't say fun. Interesting when we have you and Ethan here. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 1:15:37

So we can get all the all the details and opinions on everything.

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Yeah. So I think that's what we'll do. Anyway, everybody, thank you so much for listening. If you made it this far, I hope you all have a blessed week. Bye, love you. Love you too.