32: The Red Flannel Boys: Modern Dating And Guns

These episodes happen when the three of us(Caleb, Stefan, and Ethan) can get together in the same room. These episodes will be more entertaining and rowdy, please come prepared.

Ethan's back from the trail, and we've got matching red flannel shirts—coincidence or a fashion statement? We kick things off with some fun banter and Ethan's tales of a romantic run-in during his travels. Then things get real as we navigate the mysterious world of ghosting and debate the art of text timing. Whether it's the cultural quirks of dating  or the challenges of communication across continents, we're sharing stories that reveal how love knows no borders but definitely has a few language barriers.

But the fun doesn't stop there! We gear up for some absurd home defense strategies and survival prep talk, while also taking a humorous detour into election predictions and the quirks of the automotive industry. Whether it's using a bass guitar as a weapon or debating the longevity of foreign cars over American ones, we've got you covered. From political side hustles to the counterculture shift towards conservatism, our chat wraps up with a blend of wit and whimsy that promises to keep you entertained.

Chapters

• 0:00 Cracking Cold Ones and Dating Advice
• 13:38 Cultural Differences and Dating Norms
• 23:18 Modern Dating Challenges and Societal Pressures
• 30:18 Dating, Attraction, and Societal Pressures
• 41:06 Social Media Likes and Validation
• 51:57 Political Ramblings and Election Predictions
• 1:00:23 Home Defense and Survival Preparations
• 1:06:40 Survival Preparations and Weapon Preferences
• 1:19:54 Foreign Cars vs. American Cars
• 1:24:53 Electric Car Debates and Market Restrictions
• 1:34:06 Celebrity Political Backlash and Culture Shifts
• 1:38:43 Counterculture, Conservatism, and Political Discourse
• 1:43:32 Scheduling, Politics, and Campaign Funding

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

I'm going to crack a cold one with the boys.

Speaker 2: 0:06

I cracked mine early. Yeah, you beat us.

Speaker 3: 0:10

Yeah, you did, it's all right. I got my black tea, though. It's really good.

Speaker 1: 0:15

And I've got my Dr Pepper.

Speaker 3: 0:18

Ooh Dr Pepper.

Speaker 2: 0:20

Ethan, what do you?

Speaker 3: 0:22

have.

Speaker 2: 0:23

Coke, so are we going to address the elephant in the room.

Speaker 1: 0:30

What's the elephant in the room? The fact that you're back.

Speaker 2: 0:32

No, that we're all wearing red flannel. That's true. I was hoping people would see that and think wow

Speaker 1: 0:37

what a cute idea, what a cute idea, but now here it is. There's the elephant in the room. We're all wearing red flannels sure am the red flannel boys red flannel boys the other elephant in the room is ethan is back from his trip yeah, three people clapping is so lame. Oh, my god, that was loud I didn't even get allowed.

Speaker 4: 0:58

What clapping, yeah, oh you can go for it.

Speaker 2: 1:02

Oh man, that wasn't even loud. I didn't even get it loud. What Clapping.

Speaker 1: 1:06

Oh, you can.

Speaker 2: 1:09

Go for it, woo.

Speaker 3: 1:12

All right, we're going to move on. Yeah, we're going to move on now.

Speaker 1: 1:16

Thanks for the clap Ethan. We all appreciate it.

Speaker 3: 1:18

Yep, welcome back to the podcast. This is also your first and last stream here.

Speaker 1: 1:24

Yep Getting kicked out already yep, all right, folks, thanks for listening.

Speaker 3: 1:30

We'll see you next week so what are we talking about today, caleb?

Speaker 1: 1:38

well, I was just going to talk about how, like you guys are both ugly, so what has dating?

Speaker 4: 1:42

been like for you guys.

Speaker 2: 1:43

Ethan, I haven't been really trying to be honest, well, and I've also been gone, so it's kind of hard to date.

Speaker 1: 1:56

But didn't you meet a girl out in arizona?

Speaker 4: 1:59

I did you don't have to use your name.

Speaker 2: 2:01

Oh, by the way, we're not using names yeah, yeah, you can.

Speaker 1: 2:04

if you want to refer to anybody from the past, like Fatso or whatever, Don't actually use that name either. We're not using like you can make up names.

Speaker 3: 2:14

Demeaning belittling words no, not demeaning, belittling words.

Speaker 1: 2:18

but just no names. But anyway, girl from Arizona, didn't you meet one? No names, but anyway girl from Arizona.

Speaker 2: 2:23

Didn't you meet one? Yeah, she was also hiking the Arizona Trail during the time, so I met her in the Grand Canyon, but it didn't work out. Yeah, but you guys could have had your wedding there. That would have been cool.

Speaker 1: 2:37

Speaking of cool, you can take your flannel off now that everybody knows that, yeah, dude, that was a great three seconds.

Speaker 2: 2:43

I'm good for now. I mean just for now.

Speaker 1: 2:48

Is the red light on on the camera?

Speaker 3: 2:50

Okay, just wanted to make sure I can't see it.

Speaker 1: 2:52

So if it goes out, then just continue talking.

Speaker 2: 2:54

We'll just yeah, we'll just keep going yeah.

Speaker 1: 2:57

All right, take that coat off and we'll get back to the story I'm good, like kind of a little bit. No, you talked about it at the beginning that you wanted it off. Now get it off, oh my god, that's aggressive.

Speaker 3: 3:11

I'm kidding, it's a hostile work environment yeah, what kind of, what kind of?

Speaker 1: 3:16

podcast is this a fun one anyway. So it didn't work out. That's where we were in the story, but why didn't it work? Yeah, why didn't it well?

Speaker 2: 3:25

I was just where, when and why so I was going from town to town and like our texts weren't like very consistent, but even then I would like text her and then she wouldn't text me back for like three to five days later, dang. So it's like it's not even like I got a message and then I got it later in town.

Speaker 1: 3:44

It was like just straight, not even getting texted back, so pretty much ghosted yeah, but could you also say that it was from you being out in the middle of nowhere, like how was the reception?

Speaker 2: 3:58

yeah, like, yeah, but her, she got back and she was had reception the whole time you know I mean, so it's like, ouch, it's like. And then she would be like oh, I was really busy, or blah, blah, blah really busy is a good one and is yeah, it's just not not true? I mean, if you're gonna make time, you're gonna make time, you know right yeah, now I I will.

Speaker 3: 4:19

Can. I will confirm that, since technology has, like, significantly improved throughout the years, most people, as sad as it sounds, have their phones and staring at their screen probably about 70 to 80% of their day. There's no reason why you can't respond.

Speaker 1: 4:38

Yeah but, what is an acceptable amount of time to respond, because sometimes it's like you'll be sitting there, I'll see it, but I don't want to respond because I don't want to have a texting conversation all day long right?

Speaker 3: 4:50

well, I'll say this is an example. There are some friends out there that I do have not you or you but there's not be there.

Speaker 3: 4:58

There's a couple friends I have out there that occasionally what they'll do is they'll just shoot me a text message and be like oh hey, man, like how's it going? You know, just normal convo, and then I'm wanting to continue drawing or something like that. I'm really getting into it and I'd rather not have any distractions. I will usually wait, for me personally. I think it varies on the person, but I think for me personally, I would say about an hour or two, maybe three, depending on what I'm doing.

Speaker 2: 5:25

Yeah, because that's super short. I was gonna say like two days.

Speaker 3: 5:29

Well, unless you're talking about like a dating perspective of things, and I don't really know the person, I'm still getting to know them I'd probably say at least a day or two at most, I think is reasonable yeah, but it's not five days, it's way too long.

Speaker 2: 5:43

Yeah, if you, because you're not five days, it's way too long.

Speaker 3: 5:45

Yeah, if you cause you're not leaving that person like hanging for too long, like you could genuinely be busy, plus you have your own life to do. You know what?

Speaker 1: 5:52

I mean, and sometimes you just don't want to respond. I think that's perfectly fine If it's like you don't want to. Yeah, right away. Yeah.

Speaker 3: 6:00

But if you're going to also sit there and after five days just you're not interested in that way, or you just are, you thought you were interested but you're not, don't ghost. That's one thing I absolutely hate about people is and stuff like that, versus just being ghosted.

Speaker 1: 6:30

What if she hits you with like you're just the ugliest person I've ever met and I'd rather stay a brother, a sister and brother in Christ.

Speaker 3: 6:39

I would rather hear that than I would be just like absolute silence, because, yeah, I can't help that. I'm ugly, you know it's, it's whatever.

Speaker 2: 6:47

But yeah, you're not, you're not. No, I don't, I don't. But that's what she said to me at the end, anyway she said you were ugly no not surprised, but no, like that.

Speaker 3: 6:56

That's how it is, though is like don't ghost, I would rather again hear that I'm ugly and then just all right, I'm ugly and proud, I'll move on, you know, but then it's like you get other things where it's just like I had to throw that in there.

Speaker 3: 7:10

But yeah, then you get women that will just be like. Or, you know, for women, guys that'll be like, you know, oh, I just don't like your personality, I don't feel like we really clicked or anything like that. But also they do it way too soon, I feel like. I feel like you should at least give it a month, maybe two to three weeks at most, before you make a decision, because I'm not going to sit there after the first date, like for the women that I've dated. After the first date that I've had, I've I always give them the benefit of a doubt because I'm like okay, maybe they got some stuff going on, whatever, even if I don't feel like we're clicking right away. Like for my last girlfriend that I had, for example, I didn't feel like me and her were clicking right away and I thought, like this, this might not work out, like I'm not really sure how I feel about.

Speaker 1: 7:58

Are you together now? No, turns out, you were right, are you saying?

Speaker 2: 8:03

are you saying you like, you pushed it like more than just one day. Yeah, like I pushed it more than one day, because it's not fair to either party.

Speaker 3: 8:10

I feel like at that point, like if, whether you're trying to move on from like a past relationship or whether you know you're, she's trying to like give guys another chance, kind of thing, like you want to strive to at least again give the benefit of a doubt, like step in their shoes or at least just try, yeah, again, more than one or two dates well, the first, the first date is always crap anyways well, yeah, it always is 100 I've had some pretty good first ones before have

Speaker 2: 8:39

really yeah, where it's just like we're talking, laughing, hanging out you thought it was great, she thought it was terrible, she went on a second one. Or it's just like we're talking, laughing, hanging out. You thought it was great, she thought it was terrible, she went on a second one.

Speaker 4: 8:47

Or it's either the first or the second.

Speaker 2: 8:49

It's either the first or the second is usually like terrible, so like you need to get to at least three or four.

Speaker 1: 8:54

Yeah, but as a guy too. If you go on a first date and you just know you're not attracted to them at all, you might as well not waste their time.

Speaker 3: 9:05

That as well, not waste their time. That's true, because we do.

Speaker 1: 9:07

We do base things more on looks than women do like with like mostly. So like if you just know right off the bat you are not attracted to this person, I wouldn't waste their time.

Speaker 3: 9:14

If you think like maybe there's something there and it can grow, then I'd go for it, but usually on the first date, you know that's true, well that you know that way can swing towards women too in a way, because it's not like they're gonna date like the guy from the whale and like is that a really big person?

Speaker 3: 9:35

yeah, they're not gonna sit there like as soon as he walks in the door through applebees and be like oh, maybe this guy's got a great personality. No, they're gonna be like I don't know this guy at all.

Speaker 1: 9:44

Yeah, yeah, okay, Women do like, don't care as much about looks, but obviously like in that case. Yeah, it's like he's 500-pound couch potato, I can't do this yeah, that's the thing too, for both parties.

Speaker 3: 10:00

But again, like you are right, men do look more at you know, looks than they do. Like an emotion, like man, I bet you she cares a lot about kids or something like that, you know yeah, well, I'm not thinking about that. No, no, it's just that's how women think. Is there like maybe this guy's like really good, like as an emotional support person?

Speaker 1: 10:18

yeah, they do tend to think that way more, but there's like a little bit of looks in there, yeah yeah, yeah. So what back to the main story, uh, main story, main story, yeah so pretty much what happened.

Speaker 2: 10:34

There was like we were texting back and forth and then she just didn't want to text back what if it really happened that she fell into the grand canyon and passed away? Uh, she was out of the Grand Canyon.

Speaker 4: 10:43

She already knew she was home.

Speaker 2: 10:47

Well, there ain't no way somebody let you go.

Speaker 1: 10:49

so she died.

Speaker 2: 10:50

There's no way she was also from a different state, so that brings.

Speaker 4: 10:56

Ohio.

Speaker 2: 10:57

Another state, Another state New York Ew that's why I mean that's pretty far. That would be far for me to drive. Yeah, I mean that's pretty far, that would be far for me to drive.

Speaker 1: 11:06

She was probably yeah, that's. I feel like that's not.

Speaker 2: 11:08

Or her to drive.

Speaker 1: 11:11

I feel like that's not a doable long-distance relationship. No, because what is that 17 hours?

Speaker 2: 11:19

Yeah, yeah, I think it's 16 if you go through Canada, or 14 to 16 if you go through Canada, or 14 to 16 if you go through Canada Either way.

Speaker 3: 11:25

Yeah, that's too long. What would?

Speaker 1: 11:26

be the limit for you guys for a long distance.

Speaker 3: 11:29

I don't know, because I'll say my buddy, my buddy Raden, he had a girlfriend from had. Had, yes, had, from France.

Speaker 2: 11:41

Oh man, that's far.

Speaker 3: 11:42

Yeah, and so how they met is there's like an online country, like, yeah, the country france yeah, the state dude continue.

Speaker 3: 11:50

I'm sorry, that's just like that's way too far no, it definitely is, but this is I'm getting to like how they met, kind of like so so raiden. He was taking french classes in high school and stuff, and so he was struggling for a bit, but his teacher gave him like uh online website that sorry sorry, that's not a red flannel. We have to end the podcast. Sorry, sorry guys, you only get 13 minutes this week yeah yeah

Speaker 3: 12:20

I'm sorry hey or, or get out you imagine we just pan the camera over the door and he's just walking out.

Speaker 2: 12:29

That would be mean.

Speaker 1: 12:34

By the way, I have to go to the bathroom.

Speaker 2: 12:36

Oh, great, yeah, you already have to go, yeah.

Speaker 3: 12:39

So I might have to like mute my mic and you guys can. Yeah, that's fine. Just if you need to, you guys can just keep talking. Fine, just if you need to, you guys can just keep talking.

Speaker 3: 12:46

Go for it okay, I'll be back so basically what happened with radin was his teacher gave him like a website to like an online kind of like language uh, help thing. Yeah, and it was with it linked people from whatever language you're trying to learn. So if you're trying to learn Spanish, like Mexico or Spain or whatever, if you're trying to learn Canadian, whatever.

Speaker 2: 13:12

So you had to learn another language for this girl? Is what you're saying?

Speaker 3: 13:15

It's basically so you got him who's in the United States, and then you got her that's in France, and she was trying to learn English and he was trying to learn english and he was trying to learn french, and so what they? Do is in the middle, so they can meet in the middle so she can teach him and he can teach her.

Speaker 3: 13:32

And, yeah, teach them yeah, she and she was a really she gosh and she was a really good looking gal and whatnot like. I met her a few times and her french accent was very thick and, yeah, that was the one thing that I was like whoa what the?

Speaker 3: 13:46

heck, because I've met some people from different parts of the country before, like Russia, where there's like a really thick, like Russian accented woman and she was at Walgreens one day with me and she was like talking to me about some of the cosmetology stuff and I was like I don't understand half of what you're saying, but I mean sure, awesome. But she had broken english. So that's kind of like how um rayden's ex-girlfriend was and she had a little bit of broken english, but it was they.

Speaker 3: 14:13

They kept going for like about, I think, four years yeah, did it work out or no, no um she unfortunately ended it because she just was not seeing and it's going to sound bad, but it was more or less from what I remember hearing is that he was not showing initiative to like want to either move out or get a different job kind of thing. So it was more like you know, if gonna come move to america and mean you are gonna get married and stuff like that. Because she did, she wanted to, like you know, be with this guy. So he, just she it was, he didn't get a better job.

Speaker 2: 14:54

No, he, he worked with me at o'reilly's like back when I was his manager and so they broke up because, like he didn't get a better job, like it wasn't expected, more from him.

Speaker 3: 15:04

It kind of that's crazy. Not like that, I don't Duh, she's French.

Speaker 1: 15:10

Wow.

Speaker 4: 15:11

I want you making $100,000 at least.

Speaker 2: 15:14

Well, french, people are very.

Speaker 3: 15:16

You guys are well over-exaggerating that factor. What it was is he just did not strive for any kind of initiative to like better himself, in a way, in regards to like he was complaining about his job not making enough money.

Speaker 3: 15:29

I'm not doing this, yeah like so I should I probably should have explained it a little bit better. But yeah, so he just he was complaining about not having enough money and all this other stuff and she was like, well, you need to try to find another job. And then he just, you know, was here and then he was saying he was going to go to college and but he didn't have anywhere to stay, so in that was in indiana or something like that he was going to college for or something. And there was some other stuff that happened that I won't get into that, but that's. And then it was kind of messed up too, because it was when he was dropping her off at the airport.

Speaker 3: 16:01

Yeah, that, uh, he goes, all right, well, I'll text you when you get home, or whatever, or text me when you get home and she goes no, you don't have to do that anymore because we're we're done after this and then it's nice and straightforward yeah, it is nice and straightforward, but it's also still pretty slap in the face I don't know which one's more messed up the fact that she did it as like because his family paid for the ticket home, like, so she did it after they paid for the ticket for her to go home. After like, I think she stays there for like a month or times whenever she's an economist, like thanks for the ticket yeah.

Speaker 3: 16:34

And then just like yeah, by the way, we're done, I'm never gonna see you again, kind of thing. And then there was also the fact too that, like her, his family was like paying for all their food and everything else, and it's just like, wow, that's kind of a big slap. Like to them too, at that point.

Speaker 2: 16:50

Yeah, like so I've seen a lot of foreigners and like on the on the trail and a lot of them like, to be honest, just sleep around like from other countries a lot like I was surprised when people said oh yeah, I got one from france and well because some xyz like wherever it's like dude, wait, you have like you have like multiple girlfriends in other countries what?

Speaker 3: 17:14

what does that mess and like europe?

Speaker 2: 17:16

is like really small, so it's like mormon or something like that.

Speaker 3: 17:19

They do that polygamy?

Speaker 1: 17:20

yeah, but they're not dating them, are they probably not? What do you mean? Like I got, I think, maybe one at a time, but they'll like.

Speaker 2: 17:27

They'll like bag people from different countries. That's like I don't think they're dating I think they're just like it's just more lax, is what I'm saying?

Speaker 1: 17:34

like they're casual, yeah, yeah it's super casual in europe well, that's what girls do whenever they're like I want to go backpacking in europe yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, there's a reason.

Speaker 4: 17:45

I mean guys, I'm not even saying girls.

Speaker 2: 17:47

I'm saying guys and girls do that.

Speaker 4: 17:48

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 17:48

Like across the board. Well right, I'm just saying from my perspective, because usually it's like, yeah, there's been girlfriends of mine, not girlfriends, but you know, gal pals.

Speaker 3: 18:05

I guess you can say they have said like, yeah, I'm going to go backpacking in france. And it's like, yeah, we all know what you got, I don't know what. Are you 50? Yeah, actually I am. I'm 32, just 18 more years away. That's pretty crazy. Yeah, it's bad, but yeah, no, like there's. There's, you know, foreigners, like women and whatnot, and men that what I've seen, at least right now, is like in japan, for example. There's the women there are really modest and they're very loyal to their husbands and I think that's more of an eastern thing it is, but at the same time it's like which is fine and with the modern dating today.

Speaker 3: 18:36

Unfortunately, I hate to say it, but these american women are just awful like not all of them, obviously because there's there's some good eggs out there.

Speaker 3: 18:46

Can't put everybody in that basket but the bad ones, they're just like. They're out there cheating, they're out there sleeping, they're out there just either just staying single because they just don't want to be in a relationship. And then, anytime some guy tries to like flirt with them and be like, hey, how's it going, or like, hey, you dropped your pencil something stupid, innocent and then they all get all like mad and just like get away from.

Speaker 1: 19:08

That's because you're on tiktok, do you think that's a?

Speaker 3: 19:11

society problem, that's, that's well, I don't know, I'm not just taking stuff from tiktok that I've seen, but like right but from experiences that I've heard from friends and that I've witnessed like in real life, about things like at certain events like metro cruise and like even out in dmc midwest not the place in general, but out in chicago where the delorean dealership's at there's people that like we've stopped at mcdonald's before and stuff like that happens and it's just like why like.

Speaker 1: 19:43

See, I personally have never had a bad encounter with a woman because I grew up to them at the gym. I don't like ask them out, but I'll go to the squat bar that they're using to ask them if I can use weights, just to you know it helps you just a conversation?

Speaker 2: 19:56

yes, yeah, hit them up at the gym.

Speaker 1: 19:57

That's what caleb's saying yeah, I would if I was more comfortable that's usually not where you I think the gym is probably the worst place that you.

Speaker 1: 20:06

I think it's the best, because you know she's hot. That's true, you know she's taking care of herself. That too, and if you're not creepy about it, right, you can go up to her yeah it's when you, it's when it's the guys that go up to him and be like hey, I like it when you do squats and they're like every girl thinks I'm creepy and it's like well, yeah, because you say stuff like that.

Speaker 3: 20:26

Right, it's just because you are creepy and then you're gawking at them too while they're doing it.

Speaker 1: 20:33

That just makes you look like a yeah, like they're doing squats and you're just like.

Speaker 2: 20:38

Because girls at the gym, like, barely wear anything. Let's just be honest, that is true.

Speaker 1: 20:42

Yeah Well, I like that's why that's guys need to train themselves not to look. But girls also need to know like what if you're? If you're dressing that way, the creeps are gonna look yeah and then the guys who don't care are gonna be staring at you, right?

Speaker 3: 20:54

it's just how it goes and you're you at that point. If you're dressing skimpy, like you, you can't be mad. You can't. If you're getting gawked at, you cannot get mad and you have no reason to get mad.

Speaker 3: 21:04

But if you're dressing properly, you're wearing the like right gym clothes and stuff like that I want to know what properly is like I would say, like I'm fine, like I don't get like weirded out if, like, they're wearing like a sports bra kind of thing, like the tank top, whatever it is that they wear and they're on the treadmill and then they're wearing like leggings and stuff, I'm cool with that, or even shorts, I'm fine with that. Like they'll usually wear shorts like up to their kneecap pretty much.

Speaker 3: 21:28

That's still kind of hoey I mean like half a little bit, but it's like there's like halfway there, there's like half houses and there's like half, but that but that I can like not gawk at is a thing to me that's just normal gym clothes, versus like, if they're wearing very skin, tight like shorts that like go up to their groin or whatever, and then they're like yeah, I'm gonna do squats real quick. And then it's like okay, how are you not gonna look at that point? You know what I mean? You just have to train your eyes.

Speaker 1: 21:58

Yeah, and I start looking at the lights. Yeah, like this, like walking around, and that's how I do look into the light yeah, look into the light it's.

Speaker 3: 22:05

It's really not that hard though to have a little self-control, though. I'm just like because when I went to the gym with with john, like yeah, there are a lot of good looking women there, you know and I had a couple women yeah and I had a couple women on when I was on the treadmill.

Speaker 3: 22:21

like did they just come up right next to me? I'm just listening to my music working out and I just give a quick glance and say, hey, how's it going? Just stuff like that. You know, it's not that bad and yeah, they may be dressed up in a different way, but I'm like I'm just here to work out. At that point, if she wants to make more of a conversation, I'll at least open it up to where I'm friendly and I'll want to talk to you by saying, hey, how's it going, kind of thing. But if she just doesn't want to talk afterward, then I'm just going to keep working out. I'm not going to sit there and just stare at them.

Speaker 1: 22:53

You should just run and then turn your head and just look at them for a while On that day, for no particular reason.

Speaker 3: 23:00

I started running. Forrest Gump Run, forrest run. I'm going to move on.

Speaker 1: 23:09

No, you should do that oh yeah, Go with the Forrest Gump joke and I'm sure she'll be. Just call her Jenny next to you.

Speaker 3: 23:18

Life is like a box of chocolates you never know what you're going to get. We're going to move on.

Speaker 1: 23:25

Yes, on, yes. Please get us out of here. What about you, caleb?

Speaker 2: 23:30

what? Yeah, caleb, how's your dating life going?

Speaker 1: 23:33

uh, I would say it's obviously hasn't led to marriage yet, but it's been kind of fun yeah I've been going on dates with girls, which I don't think is wrong no, that's surprising with the looks like yours.

Speaker 2: 23:44

I mean, you're not ugly like me and Ethan.

Speaker 4: 23:48

Well, that's what he just said.

Speaker 1: 23:52

Oh wait, what were you saying? Were you saying I'm ugly?

Speaker 4: 23:54

No.

Speaker 1: 23:55

Oh, I thought you were saying it's surprising because I've been going on dates.

Speaker 2: 23:58

No surprising you're not married. Oh, with the looks like yours, oh.

Speaker 3: 24:03

Yeah, we got a Chad over here yeah.

Speaker 1: 24:07

Yeah, Chad. So they've been going good or bad Well obviously they haven't worked out because they haven't been married.

Speaker 2: 24:13

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 24:14

But I think like sometimes you just have to keep going on dates. I know like in church culture it's like you find somebody that you like and you just have to focus on them and then if it doesn't work out, but that's kind of proving to be a waste of time, so I think it's better to just go on a bunch of dates, obviously if you're like two months in with somebody you should probably start focusing on just them.

Speaker 2: 24:35

Right, yeah, but go on dates with many women, is what you're saying. Yeah, like, if you have like five first dates this week.

Speaker 1: 24:43

You've got one on Monday, you've got one on Tuesday, one on Wednesday.

Speaker 2: 24:46

I think that's fine, yeah, as long as you're not like exclusive.

Speaker 1: 24:49

Yeah, as long as you're not exclusive, you're not like sleeping with them. Yeah, obviously.

Speaker 3: 24:54

I find it weird in that perspective of like the multiple people dating like that, even if it is a first date, because there was a girl that I was trying to go out with on I think it was highly was the dating app and she that's your first problem, but continue wait, this was like that's no, the dating app is highly. Oh, I don't know, it's like no worse than tender yeah, there was.

Speaker 3: 25:18

It was two years. It was, uh, yeah, two years ago in 2022, when I moved into my newer apartment and there's this girl named megan and she seemed really cool. You know, we were hitting off pretty good and we had been talking for like a few days and I was like, hey, you know, do you want to go out for a date? And she's like, oh yeah, sure, but I'm gonna let you know something real quick. And I'm like, what's up? And she said that she was seeing five other guys and then she was gonna plan a date to have like a whole day thing, like one at breakfast, one like midday, one at lunch, one mid-afternoon to just have them all together. And then she, at the end of the day, she would probably, she would think about it. And then she told me that the next day, which I think was like probably saturday or sunday or something- dude, she ain't paying for anything.

Speaker 2: 26:04

That's all I'm saying.

Speaker 1: 26:05

Yeah, and, but the thing is is like that's fine if she oh no, was that the drink? No, it was.

Speaker 3: 26:11

Oh, it's an empty mug, but she was basically going to decide, then, who she was going to stick with exclusively. I'm like, well, how long have you been dating for she goes? Oh, just this week. I'm like what?

Speaker 1: 26:24

yeah, okay the thing is that's fine if she wants to go on yeah, that's five days, but why would? You tell somebody that, yeah, like you don't tell other girls that you go on dates with, like yeah, I just went on a date with another girl right, because then you come off as a dog, like you're just thirsty all the time dog and you come off as actually insecure because you're like. You have to let her know that you're that you're seeing, like you're seeing other people.

Speaker 1: 26:46

She should just like let that you got to, let that like go into her mind on her own yeah, because at that point though, then that gets her as bad as it sounds that I mean, you're not wrong you should date less, but it also gets in her mind.

Speaker 3: 26:58

Then at that point if you tell her that you have other options, then she's just another option, so then she's just gonna dip. My motto is if I'm an option, don't pick me at that point, if I'm your choice, yeah, but that's not gonna happen on a first date. Well, no, I'm not saying that, but like if you're saying like when, how she told me that she's seeing five other guys. But I'm just an option, forget it, I'm out yeah, I think it's weird that she told you no.

Speaker 1: 27:21

Nah, dude, you got to compete, dude.

Speaker 2: 27:23

You got to be number one, you got to be like hey look, I can play pickleball.

Speaker 3: 27:26

I can play pickleball.

Speaker 1: 27:28

Yeah, Pickleball yeah pickleball so great.

Speaker 2: 27:31

I have show shorts for pickleball. Yeah, dude.

Speaker 4: 27:34

Yeah you have hoochie daddies, is that? What you have. No, I don't care.

Speaker 2: 27:37

Oh man, lol, lol, yeah I agreed I don't know that's, that's just too much.

Speaker 1: 27:50

It is too much yeah, it's just weird that she brought it up yeah, and that's when I was just like I'm done with that, that's that's weird. For sure, for sure yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: 28:03

So next topic awkward silence awkward silence no, it's okay, this is like the.

Speaker 1: 28:09

This is the chill moment when you don't have anything to talk about. You're just like hanging out. Yeah yeah, I like it, yeah me too, let's just not say anything and just a solid five minutes of silence of just nothing happening, just the occasional I guess I wow, I guess we could talk about, like why do you guys think that this dating crisis has happened? No, that's a good one. We can get into society yeah, go from there.

Speaker 3: 28:39

That's a nice road. Yeah, it is going out society and how the world is made out to be right now at this point society yeah, probably social media, I think yeah, social media would definitely be.

Speaker 1: 28:50

Yeah, I talked with alec on the latest one about social media oh, we can't retash that, then well, we can, it's just like get your guys's perspective on it, because we didn't. It wasn't like the main theme of that episode.

Speaker 1: 29:01

We just kind of like touched on it a little bit, like the paradox of choice, because women and I guess I have to say, and men which is annoying because I'm not thinking- of men, I'm thinking about women, because I date women right they think that they have all these choices because of social media, when in reality it's it's like, yeah, they do, but they really don't at the same time, because they keep, there's always going to be a better option I think that's the problem with dating at least one of the problems is there's always a better option out there and the thing is is technically, that statement is true when you think about it like there is always somebody better out there?

Speaker 3: 29:39

yeah, and they're just a click away yeah, that's true versus how it used to be where before, like Facebook, myspace and all that other crap, like we had to go, like at lunchtime, and go up to the table that she was sitting at with all of her friends and be like, hey, do you want to go out to prom?

Speaker 1: 29:55

You know the old-fashioned way, but that seemed to always usually work more.

Speaker 3: 29:58

Yeah, because you actually built that rapport and chemistry, because you're in person built that rapport and chemistry, because you're in person, right, and yeah, you'd have probably more in your favor like, yeah, you'd still get rejected, but at least at that point it's like all right, move on to the next one yeah, and at the same time.

Speaker 1: 30:11

At the same time it's like there was a lack of choice, so some people did actually have to settle. So it's like where's that balance at? Because if you're like living in a small town with only 50 people and you're a woman and your choices are like Bill, dad and Bobo, it's like what are you going to do?

Speaker 4: 30:31

Bobo.

Speaker 3: 30:32

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 30:34

What are you going to do? Right, and you don't have anybody else to marry. It's like you got to marry one of them if you want to have kids or have a family or whatever. So it's like there's really like this it sucks because it's like on the one end, we have way too many choices and then on the other end, there's not enough and then there's not enough because it seems like today.

Speaker 3: 30:55

It's like people don't know how to appreciate what they have now yeah and so they just like keep moving from option to option to option, and then and sometimes those people like they could have been really good for you, like you know you could meet somebody, you break up, but then, like years down the road, you find out like they're with somebody but it's like clearly toxic and they're having issues financially or something, or they're just not getting cared for. The guy's a tool, something like that, or the girl's just she doesn't care enough about the relationship, so like she's having the guy pay for everything kind of thing. But yeah, then at some point somebody retaliates, they break up and then they're like, dang, I really wish, like I had what I had with this person back at that point. They, they immediately get filled with regret at that point. After that, yeah that does happen.

Speaker 2: 31:43

That's why you make yourself more valuable right, it's what I do.

Speaker 3: 31:46

I try to like us individually.

Speaker 1: 31:48

I don't know, or as a man, as a man as a man yeah, I have something that every other guy doesn't have you know

Speaker 3: 31:56

yeah like he's got.

Speaker 1: 31:58

You know he's a chad and I'm ugly well, it's not just that he's a chad, but you also have to have social skills yeah like for me. I don't even watch tv, right, and I just I just read I work out and study.

Speaker 2: 32:15

Do the podcast music, all that stuff and I'm the total opposite, playing games not working out, like, like an ugly like an ugly guy like an ugly basement dweller like an ugly guy has to work on that more than like somebody that just hasn't made like with looks when you look like the guy from the goonies and he's like, hey, you guys, he's got like that weird.

Speaker 3: 32:38

I'm saying you have to bring something more to that you have to bring something more to the table. Yeah, like Coke.

Speaker 2: 32:44

Yeah, yes, like a book, I don't know. Or even just better at social interaction.

Speaker 3: 32:51

Social interactions. Or maybe there's a hidden skill you can write poetry or you can really romance it, you can play basketball really well, or pickleball.

Speaker 1: 33:00

Well, yeah or pickleball. The thing is, women do like a man who has ambition. They don't necessarily want millions of millions of dollars some of them do but those are just the ones we see on tiktok that are just like, yeah, he's got to make six figures, but a lot of times it's just like they want somebody who's ambitious I disagree.

Speaker 2: 33:23

I think that's what they say they want, but I think what they actually want is just a good-looking guy, and they don't care about anything else. Really, yeah, I don't know, that's my opinion, or the one with a lot of money and a good look You're telling me if there's a guy who's very good-looking like a solid 10.

Speaker 1: 33:41

If you put, somebody that has a Fabio comes walking in. He's like hey, let me show you to my house and it's a cardboard box. You're going to be like yes, she's going for him because he looks good.

Speaker 3: 33:50

You never know You're stone-faced.

Speaker 1: 33:51

There's some girls that can be, that desperate man.

Speaker 3: 33:55

I got a good-looking guy. Oh, where's this?

Speaker 2: 34:10

I think yeah, if you don't show two people in the room, one that's really good looking and one that has, like, a huge character, I think she's gonna choose the one that's good looking. Yeah, I can see that. Even if, even if the character, even if they like are really good with conversation with that guy that has character, it doesn't matter, they're gonna still choose the other guy what if the guy with good characters, like a seven?

Speaker 1: 34:19

they're really good looking guys. Ten I was thinking like a five and a ten, but okay, so five and a ten, if okay, if he's ugly enough, they're obviously gonna choose the guy who's better looking, but if he's like a seven or eight and the other guy is a ten, but the seven right is really good at conversation and he's funny, I think he's gonna win her over in a, maybe in a way, but he starts pulling out those hundreds or something.

Speaker 3: 34:43

Right, that's that, that is one thing is a lot of and again, you know some men are like this too, where you know they'll look on, looks like this girl could be like faithful, she could dispel, like oh yeah, I was cheated on blah blah, but I'm really faithful to my guys that I'm with and whatnot, and you know I'll be there, you know I'll give you a back massage, whatever, just to woo the guy over and she's like she could be really honest and loyal. But then you get like a kim kardashian kind of looking girl and the guy's gonna go for her because she looks, she's got an hourglass figure and all this other crap and I'm not saying that girls just do those guys probably do it too.

Speaker 2: 35:20

Oh yeah, they're just like oh, who's the hottest girl in the room? Yeah, guy Like I said before, I don't care, you know.

Speaker 1: 35:26

Yeah, most guys go for looks.

Speaker 3: 35:29

It's just how they're built. Yeah, that's how we're built.

Speaker 1: 35:32

I mean, there's like how many? I guess there's some videos, I don't know if there's actually a study, but it's like the woman asks the man like what do you want me to do when you come home? Do you want me to clean, cook or look good? And they almost always choose look good, like they don't care if you cook, they don't care if you clean, they just want you to look hot when they come home from work.

Speaker 3: 35:51

Right, and I'm like sorry, I'd rather you be relaxed and chill and doing whatever.

Speaker 1: 35:56

I definitely want them looking hot.

Speaker 3: 35:58

I don't want them to like, maybe on a date night.

Speaker 1: 36:01

Sure, I will cook, and then we can clean together on Saturday when I come home from work and you see a smoking hot wife you are going to thank, do everything and anything. Yeah, you would just yeah, it would be nice.

Speaker 2: 36:17

At the same time. If you don't have time to cook, I would love somebody to cook.

Speaker 3: 36:20

But then the other thing is too is that then you get that or she'll get that mentality, that your mentality is as long as I look good and hot, then I don't have to do anything. And then she becomes lazy. And then when you stop doing it because you're like man, I'm tired and just whatever, then she'll just dump you for fabio I thought you're lord farquad or whoever she's going after or shrek or shrek, I literally thought you're gonna say then she gets ugly she's ugly and proud.

Speaker 1: 36:48

100 honey you got real ugly.

Speaker 3: 36:51

That's great yeah and I for me. I think it's just it shouldn't matter at that point, like of how you look, if you're presentable and coming home, like I would say, if I come home to at least like if she's got a part-time job or something stupid. Let's just say in a perfect world, hypothetically, like I have a really good job, not six figures, but a good enough job to where I can have a home.

Speaker 3: 37:17

You know she can stay there, I don't have to really worry about a perfect world you don't make six figures in a perfect, I'm just saying in a hypothetical situation you don't make six figures.

Speaker 1: 37:26

I'm just saying, in a hypothetical situation I still don't make six figures. I'm just saying, if you're going to go with the perfect world scenario, I'd be like in a perfect world I'm making a billion dollars.

Speaker 3: 37:33

It's an average perfect world. How about that? So you get nothing?

Speaker 1: 37:39

You're not making something? Upper class, perfect world. There we go.

Speaker 3: 37:42

Yeah, so you're not making six figures but you're almost there. But you have enough for a home. You got enough for a nice car. Yeah, you got enough for like a really you know good looking girl. Let's say that falls for you or whatnot, but she doesn't know how much money you make and if I am the main bread provider at that point. And let's say she works a part-time job or whatever, yeah, like, if I'm like coming home from a long day at work, let's just say my job is eight to five, I come home it's like 5, 30, 6 o'clock.

Speaker 3: 38:11

If the house is like, I would say if. If it's like clean or at least somewhat tidied up and it's not like a giant mess, I'm like okay, cool, that's at least one thing, because I don't want to come home. I'm neat freak, that's just me. I would rather come home to like a clean, like picked up kind of like home than just something with like trash laying around everywhere or just like there's stains on the carpet from the dog or something like that or like in the aspect of like I wouldn't, I don't really even care about like a dinner already being ready to be made.

Speaker 3: 38:44

I could just be that guy that's like, hey, let's just order little caesars or something like that just for tonight. Or you know, hey, I'm just gonna whip something in the microwave, or hey, I'm gonna make dinner real quick, or do something like that. Yeah, I would just say, as long as they like, if they were in that scenario, just, you know, tighten up the house just a little bit. They don't have to go overboard and like grab the feather duster like they do in the 80s movies, like one tippy toe on the ladder, and just be like getting up on the bookshelf okay, so you said she has a part-time job, right?

Speaker 3: 39:11

yeah, and in a hypothetical uh, above average world.

Speaker 1: 39:15

Yes, I'm just saying because obviously if she has a part-time job, she's probably what's part-time like below 30 it's like 20 hours or so, 25, so there's gonna be days where she's not working. So if she's spending all of her day trying to look good, obviously there's gonna be an issue it's like girl clean or cook or something.

Speaker 3: 39:39

The same rule, I think, applies to where, like, even if I work full-time and let's just say she's working and I have the day off or something like that, I'm sure she would even appreciate the house being picked up a little bit, because just because I'm working full-time, making most of the bread doesn't mean like I just don't have to do crap around the house.

Speaker 3: 39:55

You know what I mean like, so it's my part of my duty too so it works out in both parties where you know, hey, if I want the house clean, then the expectation is is when you're gone that I'm going to clean the house no, that's all her job.

Speaker 2: 40:10

Wow, that'd be totally clean when I get home.

Speaker 3: 40:19

It should be open for both parties. At that point I feel like.

Speaker 2: 40:23

No, you're right. You're right, it's more 50-50. It's not?

Speaker 1: 40:29

No women have to stay in the kitchen.

Speaker 2: 40:32

Oh, I thought it was a bedroom oh.

Speaker 1: 40:33

Wow, Ethan Gosh. You know, if a woman and a man are driving and they get in an accident, whose fault is it?

Speaker 2: 40:46

Was it head on it in an accident? Whose?

Speaker 1: 40:47

fault is it? Was it head on? It doesn't matter. Whose fault is it?

Speaker 3: 40:50

I know where this is going. The guy's fault, of course. Yeah, it is the guy's fault, it doesn't matter why is he driving in the kitchen.

Speaker 2: 40:58

Y'all are horrible, it's aggressive, it's a joke, it's not aggressive, it's aggressive, it's a joke. So when, when you said that question about social media, I totally thought you were talking about like way back when, when like, likes and stuff like started going on on facebook where I was like that kind of changes everything, at least for the first time a girl poked me on facebook.

Speaker 1: 41:23

I thought she was in love with me. Oh, dude same.

Speaker 3: 41:28

Yeah, because when were pokes, that was like what beginning of Facebook? Yeah, that was the beginning of Facebook. Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2: 41:34

But people just getting likes In general changed how they got gratification from it.

Speaker 1: 41:42

Yeah, in general I'm not even saying that, saying now it's so expendable and so, just, it does it's meaningless, but it's still like well, no, do you think it's meaningless? Yeah, not completely meaningless, but okay. I used to think that if a girl like this liked my post on facebook, that she liked me. Yeah, I don't care what it was, it could be a picture of me smiling. She liked it. I was like, oh my gosh, we're gonna go out together. She's gonna be mine. This is happening. I can't believe she did it. I would think all night what I'm gonna message her. I'm not even kidding. I used to do that.

Speaker 3: 42:14

Now girl likes, I'm like, okay, whatever yeah yeah, it doesn't matter, they really have to show like initiative at that point if they really like you, I think.

Speaker 2: 42:22

Think it doesn't matter on that aspect, but it matters on business aspect now instead, because if people have enough followers, they can make money off of it. Yeah, it's still good to change.

Speaker 1: 42:34

It is good to get likes. If you're YouTube or Facebook. It boosts your algorithm. The more people that like your stuff, the more it's going to push it out there.

Speaker 4: 42:42

Right, you're right on that.

Speaker 1: 42:43

So, on a business aspect, of course, yeah, it's helpful, but it what I what I mean by it doesn't mean anything, is like, it's just so easy to do like you just like anything, it doesn't really matter and you kind of forget about it, but back then that, when I would yeah, when I would like, I would like freak out if I was going to like some girl's picture. I'm like, oh my gosh, do I do it?

Speaker 2: 43:05

yeah, and then you do it and you're like, and I start sweating I think other people not you, but like other people are like oh, I only got 100 likes on this and they feel bad because they only got 100 likes on something there's some people that. Yeah, some people are like that because they need that.

Speaker 1: 43:22

That's where they need that yeah, they find their worth from how many likes they get I mean, yeah, don't get me wrong if I found my worth from how many likes I get. I would be dead because, yeah, nobody likes me.

Speaker 3: 43:34

I have like none I mean this is one thing for me like. So, if there's somebody on this is me with social media in regards to the likes, but so if I have a drawing that I did, if it only gets like one like, at that point I'm kind of like, okay, come on now. Like the titanic drawing I did, you know like that. I spent like a week. Was it sinking?

Speaker 2: 43:59

yeah, it was. Oh okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know maybe it was floating, I don't know.

Speaker 3: 44:05

I mean, it was at one point over 100 years ago but yeah and so if I get like, if I spend some time on a drawing and granted, I know I'm not gonna get blown up with like a million likes or whatever but if I only get like one like on a drawing, that's when I'm kind of like okay, really like, come on now I spent like hours on this and you can't tell me that it's scrolled through your news feed and you're just like you can't just quick like that or something like that, like I'm not again expecting like 500,000.

Speaker 1: 44:34

Yeah, but it's because you're not quote, unquote cool, right. And so it's like the more likes you start getting, the more likes you start getting, right. And what I mean by that is like the human brain is weird and humans are weird. Where it's like, say, somebody sees your photo and has zero likes, they're like yeah, I don't like because nobody likes it. But if they see that it has like 30 likes, it's weird because that same person would be more likely to like that photo because they already see that it has likes, right.

Speaker 3: 45:02

Why is that that? I don't know. I they already see that it has likes right.

Speaker 2: 45:06

Why is that that? I don't know. I think it's just commonality. They want to be on that team, so they want right.

Speaker 1: 45:10

Yeah, they want to be on the team, because that's how it is with youtube it's like I don't have, I only have. I think, like right now, at the time I was recording 68 subscribers. Dude, that's huge right yeah, and it's like it's more than me yeah, and you don't get any views on youtube. But once people start watching, it's like oh, this video has 500 views, I'm gonna check it out, but if it has zero, it's like I don't want to watch this right, unless you're jack septic high or somebody else I don't know who jack septic is.

Speaker 3: 45:43

No, he's like early youtube, like pewdiepie markiplier, like that early youtube oh yeah, I don't know who any of those guys are.

Speaker 2: 45:50

I hate, don't wide mouth I hate views without any likes, though, like you, you'll be like 200 views and then zero, yeah, but really it's.

Speaker 1: 46:04

I think it's the duration that they watch that really boosts the algorithm that's true, because on tiktok. I've had videos that get a bunch of likes but barely any views. But then I've had shorter ones where they're more likely to watch the whole thing get a lot more views. Because once tiktok doesn't care about likes or dislikes as much, I don't think youtube does either.

Speaker 3: 46:24

They care about how long they can keep you on their platform they have like an analytics thing, that shows up because, like, if you're just rambling on about something stupid, like you're just talking about dinosaurs or something like that, and it's just like the same dinosaur for like 30 minutes most people it'll show you like where they stop at or where they skip to like see if another topic is being talked about and it's like you know at that point, then that's where they drop. And then youtube's like okay, we, you got to change it up here, bud, because your videos are like tanking bad.

Speaker 2: 46:54

You're not making us money at that point I think long videos are like, not the thing either like all depends on the life, everybody seems seems to go in short. Yeah, that's true, compared to what it used to be.

Speaker 1: 47:05

Yeah, it's a lot harder, especially for me, because the episodes are what. Yours is like two hours almost every time.

Speaker 3: 47:11

Good job, dude. Yeah, no right.

Speaker 1: 47:13

And it's like people don't want to watch that whole thing, but also, you have to remember, they don't know who we are. So it's like why would we watch two hours of two people that we don't even know?

Speaker 2: 47:22

That are ugly. I mean what? Yeah, exactly. Well, if you were there, it'd be three ugly people I know.

Speaker 1: 47:27

Yeah, not red flannel, yeah.

Speaker 3: 47:30

Hey, can I take it out, because I was hot yeah.

Speaker 4: 47:33

It's a heavy jacket. Okay, it's a heavy jacket.

Speaker 2: 47:35

It's heavy.

Speaker 4: 47:40

Oh man, you guys are killing me.

Speaker 3: 47:50

Well, you're making me alive. Yeah, blue flannel, all right. You know that sound on Arthur. When they drank a milkshake Like that straw, that was like the shake was empty all the time and they're just sucking air.

Speaker 1: 47:58

I have always wanted a sugar bowl.

Speaker 3: 48:00

A sugar bowl. That's the drink in Arthur.

Speaker 1: 48:04

No, it's the place that they go. It's like a bar for high schoolers, but it's soda and ice cream. That would be so cool.

Speaker 2: 48:11

I know you could just go there and hand from Avengers and Odyssey. You know what I want you remember.

Speaker 1: 48:16

Yeah, it'd be the same idea.

Speaker 3: 48:17

You remember the Goofy movie, the pizza and the cheese?

Speaker 1: 48:25

Just like when, when they picked it up, the cheese just drooled. Yeah, but I always hated that scene because the guy with the earrings was just like sitting in his shirt and his underwear and I was like the leaning tower of cheese.

Speaker 3: 48:33

That guy, yes, he was just nasty, he was a little smoky. That was him, and like the, I think it was likeline.

Speaker 1: 48:43

But I do want to go to one of those poetry clubs where they're like, not necessarily snapping your fingers but just like that type of atmosphere where it's like you're just hanging out and somebody's doing poetry. I think that'd be kind of fun.

Speaker 3: 48:55

I've been there a few times. It's very chill, like a coffee shop. Kind of it's. They have like different areas. Okay, for example, for me like there's a place downtown I won't name the place, but they'll do poetry night every like Wednesday or Thursday.

Speaker 4: 49:09

Tell us after.

Speaker 3: 49:10

Yeah, I'll tell you after. Yeah, they'll do poetry. I think it's Wednesdays and Thursdays and you get people there. They'll do the snapping of the fingers like as the applause and whatnot, and I'm like, dang, that's pretty good, like it. I'm like, dang, that's pretty good, like it really speaks to you at that point. And plus, then again everybody in the room is just chill with you, like I could sit across the table from another person and we'll just make conversation just because, wow, that poem was like really good, you know, or like it really spoke to me at that point. Like about my life, like I'm going through some trauma or something stupid like that. Yeah, because trauma's stupid.

Speaker 2: 49:46

Tell that to the camera Trauma's stupid Did anybody was like yeah, that was terrible, that was a terrible poem.

Speaker 1: 49:53

Didn't like it I don't think anybody would ever do that, because it takes a lot of guts to go up there.

Speaker 4: 49:58

Anybody who's?

Speaker 3: 50:00

You suck, oh brother, this guy stinks.

Speaker 1: 50:08

I totally butchered the quote you got it right.

Speaker 2: 50:11

You can't do that in real life? Oh, that's another thing with social media. Everybody's slamming people online, can't do it in person.

Speaker 1: 50:18

And that's the thing too is we see this huge political divide? First of all, the political divide has always been here there was a literal civil war in the 1850s. Yeah, so it's always been here, but it's just blown out of proportion because on tiktok youtube shorts, whatever it is you see two people just going at it, but that is not the case going at it no, I mean I'm just kidding, like as in fighting.

Speaker 2: 50:45

Oh, okay, yeah yes yeah that's, that's what I thought too.

Speaker 1: 50:48

Yeah, yeah, we can tell uh, they're arguing back and forth and they're extremely angry at each other and that we see that and we think that's the norm, and so it puts it in our mind as if that's the norm, but it really isn't. When you have a discussion I have liberal friends, okay, and when I tell them my political views, it's like we can be we can be friends, civil and friends and they can.

Speaker 1: 51:16

They actually see my point and I see their point and you actually find out that you kind of agree on a lot of things and things aren't really as bad. But the reason why we get so mad is because we see two people on YouTube shorts screaming at each other and that's just not the real world.

Speaker 3: 51:35

Because the world's out to divide us at that point, because that's exactly how it is and that's what sells on media Like two people agreeing isn't going to sell on.

Speaker 2: 51:44

No, you got to butt heads you know, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1: 51:51

I thought you were going to say more.

Speaker 3: 51:53

No, that's the silence, right there is great.

Speaker 1: 51:57

So, ethan, do you think? What do you think of Bigfoot, bigfoot?

Speaker 3: 52:01

He's the scariest known.

Speaker 1: 52:02

It's scary. I do not believe in Bigfoot oh we got, I thought we're going to go a totally different way with that Now really, but what? With Bigfoot or social media.

Speaker 2: 52:12

No about going into politics.

Speaker 1: 52:14

We can go into politics. I just wanted to say the Bigfoot thing is kind of a joke. Oh yeah, why?

Speaker 3: 52:20

because, it's the scariest thing known to man, next to Bigfoot. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 4: 52:23

We just have to bring him up.

Speaker 2: 52:24

I'm confused. Because Bigfoot's funny what do you guys think about?

Speaker 1: 52:28

Bigfoot. I think it's a demon.

Speaker 4: 52:33

Yeah, I think it doesn't exist. It doesn't exist so much for politics, it just doesn't exist. No, we can come back to that.

Speaker 1: 52:39

Yeah we can come back to it, but Bigfoot is. We already discussed it in one of our episodes. Which one Bigfoot?

Speaker 2: 52:46

Or Bigfoot politics. Bigfoot.

Speaker 1: 52:51

Well, it's political season and this is probably going to come out. I think this will come out, I think a week after the election day.

Speaker 2: 52:59

You know what's crazy? It's election week.

Speaker 3: 53:02

This week? Yeah, it's this week. It started on Monday, yep.

Speaker 2: 53:08

And it goes until monday, is today, next tuesday. Yeah, it is, today is monday yeah, so it's election week today, this week I thought it was like, next, tuesday is when we vote right tuesday's when we vote yeah, right, and I think they're taking monday off, so they're not doing it like next monday, but monday to sunday and then tuesday, because the only days I have off are monday.

Speaker 3: 53:24

Sunday I'm pretty sure they're not doing it like next monday, but monday to sunday and then tuesday, because the only days I have off are monday sunday.

Speaker 2: 53:28

I'm pretty sure they're doing it on sunday, but well you can usually go pretty late on tuesday.

Speaker 1: 53:32

Anyway, I'm pretty sure they have to let you leave work to go vote like yeah, they do during the day or like early or whatever or let you come in late yeah to like okay, I got you now because, well, that was the thing is like, back before I left o'reilly's, it came back is.

Speaker 3: 53:51

I just went on like my lunch period because I lived on that side of town where my old store was, and so it was like it's just down the road, I'll be in and out, no problem, which it was. It was in and out, and then I just literally came back to work and just did whatever. But now that I'm on this side of town it's like I'm not in the same position that I was before. It's a little bit more challenging because, again, my schedule usually have Sundays and Mondays off and I work Tuesday through Saturday. So it's like how late do they stay open? Is it like six Something? Stupid?

Speaker 2: 54:21

like that. Yeah, it's like six or seven, I think it's eight, all right, but again.

Speaker 3: 54:25

Your job has to let you leave early, right which would be nice, because I would rather just leave early, like for the day, like, oh yeah, you're out at four, all right, leave at three. Then I'm like, cool, I'll do that.

Speaker 1: 54:36

Okay, harris is gonna win I don't what no you think? I think so, but I think they're gonna do what russia does and like kind of cheat. Have you seen the signs around Michigan?

Speaker 4: 54:48

I've seen a lot of Trump signs. Dude, there's no way you.

Speaker 1: 54:51

No, I'm talking about like billboards.

Speaker 4: 54:53

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1: 54:55

You haven't seen any of the Kamala billboards. They're everywhere.

Speaker 3: 54:59

Kamala's everywhere. Don't pay attention the thing is is up north. There's a lot more Trump Vance than there is Harris Billboards. I saw a Trump thing downtown Billboards and even just little picket things in people's yards. Like there's a lot more. Like back where my parents like in Hershey. Like there's a lot of Trump billboards.

Speaker 1: 55:18

But that's a small town. You're waiting in Grand Rapids, no right?

Speaker 3: 55:26

And Grand Rapids, though rapids no right, and they're not gonna get a place where, unfortunately, a lot of stuff happens. We had the riots with george floyd and all that other crap too people from other towns. Those are liberal. That's the liberal side right there at that point, and so it makes sense yeah, but there's black lives matter.

Speaker 1: 55:37

Crap up there and freaking downtown there's those signs that say, like I'm, it's like his name is dwight and it's like I'm a former Dwight and it's like I'm a former Trump supporter. I am a gun owner. I'm voting for Kamala this time. There's this big billboard and there's tons of those and I don't think they're convincing. I don't think they're meant to convince people.

Speaker 2: 55:56

They're just meant to drag the other person down. They're really bad at convincing if it is.

Speaker 1: 56:06

Yeah, well, to instruct us.

Speaker 2: 56:07

I think it's meant for like the idiot people to be like see, that's why she won, because all these people are changing their minds. See that? Yeah, that's what I'm saying, like if they tend to cheat.

Speaker 1: 56:13

But you know, I don't really know if they cheat in elections I wouldn't put it past them.

Speaker 2: 56:17

Watergate fine example they're saying she's losing in, like every state right now. That's what. That's what I've heard.

Speaker 1: 56:23

Yeah, that's what I've heard too, but it's like, which means you need to go and vote because a lot of people are gonna be like well, I guess they don't have to vote but then here's the thing, though, is that it, if it does come down to her winning, I already know it's going to be a landslide of her cheating, because how it?

Speaker 3: 56:36

how it worked even before, with biden and trump running again against each other back in 2020 it was. There was a few ballots that were were missing, that mysteriously just got lost in the mail, and then they found them, and they were all biden magically. So it's like that's how, if most of the us is voting trump right now, and then, all of a sudden, harris wins magically, they're cheating 100 well, my prediction is they're going to focus the cheating on, like Ohio and Michigan and Pennsylvania, yeah, yeah, the ones that you have to swing.

Speaker 1: 57:11

Yeah, but then California, out of nowhere, is switching Trump. That's my prediction, if it actually happens, I'm going to be so happy.

Speaker 3: 57:21

Because that would be crazy if California switched.

Speaker 2: 57:23

It would be Exactly. Yeah, it'd be like New York switched. It would be Exactly.

Speaker 1: 57:27

Yeah, it'd be like New York switching, yeah, or that you could flip-flop California and New York for me.

Speaker 2: 57:32

Which is like if one of those flips out of nowhere and then all of a sudden or North Dakota goes the other way. I know mostly.

Speaker 3: 57:40

South. Wow, I think mostly South is, from what I've heard from people that live down south, like texas and whatnot, is they're all trump well, south and the heartland is usually trump. It's just hard because of cities you notice how it's like cities are opposite of like the civil war and stuff like that, where you have like what was it?

Speaker 3: 57:59

it was the north versus the south, where it's like the north had like the freedom of like we just have to stop for that there was, like you know, like how, when slavery was an act and whatnot, like, the south is the one that owned the slaves for like, felt like slaves shouldn't be free. And then you have the north. That's like nope, you have freedom. Now it's reverse, I think, at this point, where the north is more like, not like with slavery, but you know, just as an example, like now, they're switching sides and now technically it's like the democratic party.

Speaker 1: 58:30

People think that like we flipped and like now all of a sudden the republicans don't like black people and democrats all for black people, but really democrats keep them enslaved. It just looks different. Yeah well by saying like hey, we'll help you with these government handouts. Yeah, you need our help. You can't do this on your own. And they keep them stuck in these areas, in these places, for decades. It seems like it's like.

Speaker 3: 58:53

Burton street has not changed, it's still all here as walls well, and then too, here's the other thing is even on spotify too. This is the dumper I hate the most because I'm up. I'm a huge military supporter. I support the vets, active duty, fallen soldiers, whatnot.

Speaker 1: 59:09

My family's been in war. Yeah, I don't support any of that. Neither do I. Oh my God.

Speaker 3: 59:13

You were in the Navy for a little while, weren't you For?

Speaker 1: 59:16

literally three weeks when I got sent home from boot camp, so I don't count it. Still in the Navy, I still signed my name, sure, but I wasn't actually like I've been thinking about going to sign your name, yeah. Yeah, because you can join the Navy up until 37. Really, oh dang, yeah Well it's because it's not as straining as Marines. What?

Speaker 2: 59:38

is the army age cut off 28 or something like that.

Speaker 1: 59:46

I think it's probably somewhere around there. I know I think marines is 27, but I've been thinking about rejoining the navy just because it's like not necessarily I don't really want to weld forever and it'd be kind of cool to be on a ship that's true, but then you also have to think of, like, what happens if you get struck by a torpedo or something like that? What happens if I'm in a war zone. And yeah, yeah what I?

Speaker 3: 1:00:03

well, I'm just. What happens if I'm in a war zone and I get sniped?

Speaker 1: 1:00:04

What happens if I'm driving down my car and a pothole or a sinkhole comes in.

Speaker 3: 1:00:08

That's already worse.

Speaker 1: 1:00:09

What happens, if a semi goes out of control.

Speaker 2: 1:00:12

What if somebody comes through that door and kills you?

Speaker 1: 1:00:15

Yeah Well, that's not going to happen because I have my base Wow.

Speaker 2: 1:00:20

Yes we got it in.

Speaker 4: 1:00:22

Let's go.

Speaker 1: 1:00:23

So, he walks in he's like why is there a chair on the inside of your bedroom door? And I put a chair.

Speaker 2: 1:00:28

It was like right in the walkway. Yeah, I was like why is this dude in here?

Speaker 1: 1:00:32

Okay, first of all nobody's walking into my room, except for me, okay.

Speaker 2: 1:00:36

That's not true, because I just walked in. Yeah, but that's not like a regular situation.

Speaker 1: 1:00:45

People aren't always visiting here, that's true. So every night before I go to bed I walk through the bathroom. I lock my door. The bathroom has a lock, so I lock that. I go in my closet, through the closet into my bedroom.

Speaker 2: 1:00:58

He has a huge walk-in closet with two doors.

Speaker 1: 1:01:01

Yes, thank you for the description. And then I put my chair in front of my door my bedroom a little bit over extensive and well, you guys, you guys are really really bad at listening, but very good at interrupting. So I put my chair in front of the door, so if somebody breaks in the front door, they're not getting through the bathroom. I want to hear them by this time.

Speaker 1: 1:01:25

Oh yeah, if they come through my room, they're going that chair is going to fold. I've tested it. It folds and falls down. So I'm obviously going to be awake by that point. There's also a stand like a foot in, so they're going to think that the person cause they're disoriented, they're breaking into my apartment. They have no idea. Maybe it's dark, yeah, maybe it's dark. Well, not, maybe it is dark, it is dark.

Speaker 2: 1:01:46

Well, I mean unless they turn on the light.

Speaker 1: 1:01:48

So then I have my base next to my bed until I get my shotgun. So if they walk into the door and I'm just like this and I slam down on their head, that is not going to be a good feeling for them. No, it's not. They're going to dream world unless they're in a bad place and they're going nightmare world and it's a solid body base so it's not going to break in half. It's full force back of the head or the front of the head getting smacked with a base it's very descriptive just has a base next to his bed yeah, so I have a base next to my bed.

Speaker 1: 1:02:23

Then like, and that's, that's gotta be worse than getting shot with a shotgun? Probably Can you imagine, because a shotgun you're dead, you're not going to feel much.

Speaker 3: 1:02:29

Well, not unless you shoot their kneecaps out or something stupid. I'm not aiming.

Speaker 2: 1:02:33

Here's the thing I'm aiming at the door, you don't have to though I gotta say it's so thick like there's no way anybody's breaking through that door?

Speaker 4: 1:02:48

yeah, but there's a window right there, yeah, but a window.

Speaker 1: 1:02:50

You're gonna hear, oh yeah, then they have to worry about stepping on glass, so it's really not the most practical way of breaking into somebody's house is through a window, but what I really want to get is bear traps. Can you imagine putting bear traps all over your house and what step in it? What happened?

Speaker 2: 1:03:07

I'm just saying Did you have somebody walk into your room when you were?

Speaker 1: 1:03:10

younger. No, I think it's from all the horror movies that I've watched. It's like I never want to deal with that.

Speaker 4: 1:03:16

But can you?

Speaker 1: 1:03:17

imagine if somebody walked in, stepped on a bear trap. Yeah, they don't even need to go to jail. They're never breaking into somebody's house again. No, because a bear trap would be if I got the most agonizing pain in the entire world because you're still alive and you no longer have an ankle especially if you remove the release.

Speaker 3: 1:03:39

Yeah, exactly, then you ain't getting away at that point. You're not getting off scot-free at that point, because how are you going to remove it? You chop off your own leg and hobble to the hospital, exactly.

Speaker 1: 1:03:48

Yeah, those things are hard.

Speaker 2: 1:03:50

Those would go into your bone. Oh yeah, no, they're men.

Speaker 1: 1:03:53

They go into a bear's bone, so they're meant to go into a human's, if they were walking. You could slice a human's leg off, probably, and I wouldn have to do the like, turn the other cheek in the bible, like I went out to worry about that because they stepped on it and it ain't my fault, you stepped on that. So then you walked in and stepped on something that you shouldn't have spent that so after they're in the bear trap, you hit them with your guitar.

Speaker 3: 1:04:17

What a double whammy right there.

Speaker 1: 1:04:19

Yes, literally if you had a whammy bar too wrong house Exactly and then it like teaches them a lesson. They're like I'm never breaking into a house again, boom.

Speaker 2: 1:04:31

You're the justice system. They might die from that too.

Speaker 1: 1:04:33

Well then, they're really not breaking into somebody's house Because they did that is true, Because they did. I would actually Be like repent and believe I'd save them, and then they die and then they're off.

Speaker 3: 1:04:50

Repent, and then you die.

Speaker 2: 1:04:52

That's it. What defenses do you have in your house, stephan? I have my gun. Oh, okay, yeah well.

Speaker 1: 1:04:59

I want to get a shotgun Pump action, because with a shotgun I just have to hide in the corner and aim at the door. Yeah, because they're not coming to the bathroom. I know that, uh, already then, all of a sudden, the chair falls and then it's like bam, I'm not even giving a warning shot, like I'm just shooting this, this got really like you know, you know, I guess I do have a bone arrow, so I could use that oh, all right d.

Speaker 2: 1:05:24

Daryl.

Speaker 4: 1:05:25

Dixon Close quarters, bow and arrow.

Speaker 1: 1:05:26

I have to go to the bathroom again.

Speaker 2: 1:05:27

Again. Wow, you're at two and we're at zero. Bro, what are we going to talk about now?

Speaker 3: 1:05:33

I know, talk about your bow and arrow, did he just say? Okay? So I'll say this real quick about, since we're really off topic about the whole dating thing. So I was telling caleb one of these days that I want to bring in my bug out bag and kind of go over it, because you have a, oh, you have a bug out bag. Yeah, I have a bug out bag, so my plan is talked about this once this.

Speaker 3: 1:05:55

This is one thing, and I told caleb on a podcast I don't know if you heard in a couple episodes ago when I was on it where I don't think so there was one part where it's talking about like where an apocalypse kind of thing could happen. Not like an apocalypse like zombies and all that crap, but like where basically, no matter who gets voted for, there's something that's going to happen. Whether harris gets elected or whether trump gets elected, something is going to happen at that point so my I'll I know somebody that knows someone that is updated with all.

Speaker 4: 1:06:27

That is a person. That is a person.

Speaker 3: 1:06:28

Yeah. I know someone that knows someone that is up to date with the most kind of things that happen.

Speaker 1: 1:06:32

That's right. You were supposed to tell me last time who this guy is, because we can't say on here, but you can tell me.

Speaker 3: 1:06:36

I'll tell you next time. Yeah, Okay.

Speaker 1: 1:06:39

That's for the podcast.

Speaker 3: 1:06:40

But yeah basically, what ends up happening is that if something happens to where they're going to shut down crap or something stupid, I'm not one of those superstition guys where it's like, oh my gosh, the end of the world is happening tomorrow Are you a? Little stitious. I would say a little.

Speaker 2: 1:06:55

Okay, yeah, I'm furgalicious. Yeah, I mean, my family has like a… we're going to move on.

Speaker 3: 1:07:00

So, yeah, sorry, I totally missed that so the bug out bag I have, just in case of the event that I need to get out and go on my own, like because right now that's also part of the reason why I have a motorcycle, other than the fact I've wanted one for years, same with tattoos I have wanted to have a tattoo. I have six. Oh yeah, I have six been when?

Speaker 2: 1:07:23

Okay, yeah, I see one there on your arm.

Speaker 3: 1:07:25

Well, yeah there's one, two, three, and then there's four, five and then six.

Speaker 4: 1:07:29

Dude, I just don't pay attention enough probably.

Speaker 3: 1:07:30

No, you're good, but yeah, the motorcycle in a likel likel, in a likely situation where you need to get out. Likel For one the yeah in the yeah in a likeable situation, the, the interstate, is going to be the most crowded, because if you've seen any kind of like horror movie where it's like, you know, doomsday or something like that or a good example, cloverfield or just florida or florida, yeah, there's that like a couple weeks the highways are blocked, yeah, yeah the highways are blocked and people try to get out because they're like, yeah, this is the quickest way.

Speaker 3: 1:08:05

But on a motorcycle, yeah, you're very limited on at least off-road terrain versus like. If I got in my accord and like was gonna go off on a country road trail, but I can weave in and out in traffic and take side roads a little bit easier, and if I need to go off-road, you know, then at that point I'll have to just be more cautious, but I have more range at that point. Plus, I have a like almost five gallon tank on my honda shadow.

Speaker 1: 1:08:33

So that's gallons, that's not that much it, but I got for a motorcycle you can go about as far as a car you can 300 miles.

Speaker 3: 1:08:40

Yeah, it's about 300 miles before philip, and then I have a gas light on Fill up who.

Speaker 2: 1:08:48

Yeah, but some trucks have two gas.

Speaker 3: 1:08:51

Yeah, but that's a semi truck you're talking about.

Speaker 2: 1:08:54

No, no, there's some older trucks.

Speaker 3: 1:08:56

Like an R10.

Speaker 1: 1:08:57

Chevy, that have what? Two gallons? Yeah, it's like 40 gallons in each one.

Speaker 2: 1:09:02

So they have 80 gallon capacity Wow, 40 gallons, good Lord. They have 80 gallon capacity wow, 40 gallons, good lord. I mean they also get crap gas mileage.

Speaker 3: 1:09:09

So yeah, but, yeah, but then when you're looking at it through again, why not?

Speaker 1: 1:09:12

just make one big tank? Why not? Why is it like two? Two tanks of 40 gallons each. Why not make a one, 80 gallon?

Speaker 3: 1:09:20

visual, probably like with you can switch over I don't know, but yeah, like the motorcycle is more of a verse, it's more of you can get out easier and have little to no trouble with, I feel like, on dirt roads. It wouldn't be good, though no, it's, it's not trust me because back in the year when I visited my folks.

Speaker 1: 1:09:38

Back roads isn't exactly just dirt roads every time no, I'm just saying dirt roads.

Speaker 3: 1:09:42

It would not be good, but that's the thing too, is that like so back in cedar, where?

Speaker 3: 1:09:46

my folks were at the rv, they would, um, they have a dirt road and so that motorcycle you'd have to go slow on, but it was an actual dirt road. So because, if you turn one wrong way with your fork, then you're just, you're done at that point like you're gonna tip your bike or something's gonna happen or you're gonna slide. A Braking is not that easy on dirt roads too on a bike, but you're again, you have a lot more. Uh, what, what's it called?

Speaker 3: 1:10:12

Um, um, you basically have more range and more freedom to be on a bike and just get out of Dodge if you need to, then I would be in my car. I wouldn't need to go anywhere, so you're planning on holding down the fort in your bathroom?

Speaker 2: 1:10:29

Well, my family has a group spot where we meet if stuff goes down, and it's actually at my house.

Speaker 1: 1:10:35

Can I be part of it?

Speaker 2: 1:10:36

I'm planning on going down south If I get a gun can I be part of it?

Speaker 1: 1:10:38

I'm planning on going down south.

Speaker 3: 1:10:39

Can I be part of it?

Speaker 2: 1:10:42

It's a far drive for you, though, like everybody else, that we all live in Middleville, dude, I can't tell people.

Speaker 3: 1:10:51

I'm not saying give away your position as soon as the revolution happens, as soon as everybody on this podcast are in Middleville.

Speaker 1: 1:10:59

They're this podcast. I can't wait for every sentence in this podcast to get flagged by the FBI.

Speaker 3: 1:11:04

I'm just saying I'm going south FDA, that's where I'm going. Fbi I'm not that far from you.

Speaker 2: 1:11:12

I mean it's still like 30 minutes.

Speaker 1: 1:11:14

Yeah, but if everything is going down, it's not going to fall apart in 30 minutes.

Speaker 2: 1:11:18

No, yeah, I'm just saying, either way, you can't stop me, I'm.

Speaker 1: 1:11:22

I know where you live. I'm going to. I know where you live.

Speaker 2: 1:11:26

I will provide shotgun shells oh okay, yes, you only have shotgun shells not even a gun.

Speaker 1: 1:11:33

If it's just like, if a revolution happened, I'm not a. It's not going to happen, I'm going to be frontline shotgun. Do you already have the?

Speaker 2: 1:11:41

shotgun shells, but not a shotgun.

Speaker 1: 1:11:42

No, I have the shotgun. It's at my parents' house, but it's a single shot. I want to get like a pump action.

Speaker 2: 1:11:47

Yeah, my dad has like a loader that's like what?

Speaker 3: 1:11:50

Like a 12-gauge pump.

Speaker 2: 1:11:55

Yeah well, 12 pump, that's like six.

Speaker 1: 1:11:58

If they sell semi-automatic shotguns, I'm getting one of those.

Speaker 3: 1:12:02

But I don't know if they sell them. I don't think they do. I mean, when I went, to Cabela's.

Speaker 1: 1:12:06

Well, semi-automatic is like.

Speaker 3: 1:12:07

Yeah, you have to pull the trigger every time, but like, yeah, a semi-automatic or an auto, whatever you know, yeah, but a pump just fast almost as fast, or?

Speaker 2: 1:12:15

the shoot it and then you pump it?

Speaker 4: 1:12:17

yeah, it's not even that.

Speaker 1: 1:12:18

But if they had an a12 with, like the big barrel, yeah, the shotgun. That would be my choice of weapon they, if a revolution happened, I would be front line. I'm probably gonna be the first one to die. That's okay, because I don't want to be like I don't want to be alive anymore. Yeah exactly, I don't want to be like, I don't want to be worried about everything like if just want to die. If I'm back of the line and you see all your comrades dying, all of your army.

Speaker 2: 1:12:45

People run the other way typically, but you're saying you'd go the other way, I'd be like running charging with a shotgun and just giving it my all, and then I'd be down.

Speaker 1: 1:12:56

Because if you're like the most nuisance enemy on the all, if you're like the most nuisance enemy on the battlefield and you're like shooting with a shotgun, like they're like get that guy down and then, and then you're dead and then you don't feel anything no, the worst, worse is like a machine gun in war.

Speaker 2: 1:13:13

To be honest, machine gunner, yeah, machine gun, that's you, I'm saying.

Speaker 1: 1:13:17

If, you have a machine gun shotgun.

Speaker 2: 1:13:20

Yeah, I mean yeah, but you are public enemy number one but it doesn't rifle is way better.

Speaker 1: 1:13:26

Yeah, but if you're in their face, here's a yeah if you can get close enough. I don't know I would be close enough. I would wait for them to be like a way for them to like go over me, and then I'd just start like blasting them in the back with my shotgun.

Speaker 3: 1:13:42

Can I intervene for one second? Yes, I think I have a new one. You're going to have to retitle this whole podcast now that's fine.

Speaker 1: 1:13:52

Yeah, I know A new topic. Modern dating and guns, dating guns and politics. Dating guns and politics that's what it's probably going to be called.

Speaker 3: 1:14:00

I'll say this right now I have a Taurus G3 pistol. It's like, I think it's one that cops use Not nowadays, but I think I forget the actual one that they mainly use but a Taurus G3 is like one that cops use and it's a 9 caliber or a 9 mil Well, yeah, same nine caliber. And uh, or a nine mil not. Well, yeah, same thing. But, um, yeah, it's, it's a good. I haven't shot it yet, is the thing, but um, it's really good. I'll say that from the reviews that I've seen, it's, it's very good and it doesn't have a whole lot of kick to it, like where it's gonna like blow your back out or anything like that. Like it's what, or anything like that, like it's what. Why wouldn't it blow your back out? You know what I mean? This guy is going to blow your back out. No, I'm saying. Are you saying? No, we don't.

Speaker 2: 1:14:55

I'm saying we don't know what you're saying, I'm saying blow your back out as in like you're going to feel back pain like from the kick. Like from a shock. Yeah, but it's not your back, it's your shoulder, dude.

Speaker 3: 1:15:09

No, but like, if you're stiff enough, yeah, it's true, like the kick back, it's like.

Speaker 1: 1:15:15

Yeah, it'll like kind of knock you back, a lady back, or something yeah, but you're gonna hurt your shoulder from a pistol, ethan, yeah, no, I said yeah, if you hold it in front of you like that, then yeah, you're just gonna.

Speaker 3: 1:15:27

You know you're still having okay.

Speaker 1: 1:15:29

So what use are you gonna be in a war with a pistol? I mean, I can't snipe, have you seen?

Speaker 3: 1:15:34

my snow goggle of glasses I can't snipe worth crap.

Speaker 1: 1:15:38

Yeah, I agree, I'm just saying a pistol is more of a sidearm. You either need to be a machine gunner shotgunner with me, or assault rifle. Well, I would probably stick with a shotgun and pistol, because, the thing— so you're dying in the first 30 minutes of war with me.

Speaker 3: 1:15:55

If I need to get out of Dodge and I'm on my motorcycle, the pistol is going to come in handy, because I can still ride with one hand on the throttle and brake and then I can use my other hand.

Speaker 1: 1:16:07

How often have you practiced that not?

Speaker 2: 1:16:09

enough but all this doesn't matter, because if you don't have air support superiority, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 3: 1:16:17

What do you mean? Air support when? We come on in an airstrike, you're saying.

Speaker 2: 1:16:21

You're saying invaded us and they have air superiority. It doesn't matter, they're just gonna kill, okay.

Speaker 1: 1:16:27

Okay, if we're talking about somebody invading us if it's invading, there's a difference.

Speaker 3: 1:16:31

Right, we would have just a civil war. Oh, are you talking?

Speaker 1: 1:16:33

just people go crazy yeah people, view people but I do want to talk about if we were at war with invasion.

Speaker 3: 1:16:40

Yeah, from another country.

Speaker 1: 1:16:43

There's no way they're winning because we have the government with us oh no, everybody would die. No, we would win, because oh, yeah, yeah. Say, russia comes over here and invades us, okay, they have to deal with first the government. The government forces are gonna like battle each other. But then can you imagine being on the ground as a russian soldier and you're like going?

Speaker 2: 1:17:06

to a neighborhood. It's like oh, here's grandma with a shotgun like that's.

Speaker 1: 1:17:08

That's your easiest enemy.

Speaker 2: 1:17:08

Is grandma with a shotgun, mama cocoa unless you are that country and you can actually convince half the population that it's okay, like that we're doing this. That's the only way there's there.

Speaker 1: 1:17:23

Well, because then you got half versus half and then it depends, because I actually am learning russian on duolingo right now so you're becoming a russian spy as well?

Speaker 2: 1:17:33

yeah, well, I'm taking the team bowling the f.

Speaker 1: 1:17:34

I think, caleb, you want to go bowling, the FBI is watching me and you guys plan things oh gotcha. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3: 1:17:42

So you're planning to go?

Speaker 1: 1:17:43

to.

Speaker 4: 1:17:44

Nova Scotia? Yeah, I know.

Speaker 1: 1:17:45

Yeah, I know.

Speaker 3: 1:17:49

Anyways. So you're planning to go to Nova Scotia. Is that what your plan is?

Speaker 1: 1:17:54

Yes, comrade Caleb, that's Canada, isn't it? I don't know Nova Scotia, I think that's Canada.

Speaker 2: 1:17:58

But yeah, if it's anarchy, I'm in a good spot because my brother-in-law is in SIG, so he's got a lot of guns.

Speaker 1: 1:18:07

Maybe you shouldn't say that publicly.

Speaker 2: 1:18:08

We'll cut that out. Why can't I say that?

Speaker 3: 1:18:13

Because, he's in Middleville apparently Actually no, they don't know who he is. I didn't say he lived in the middle of the world.

Speaker 1: 1:18:18

He also didn't say his name. No, did not. What's his name? It doesn't matter dude.

Speaker 3: 1:18:28

That's true.

Speaker 2: 1:18:29

Well, I mean, if it's an emergency, I feel like he would be able to use those guns. Yeah, yeah, but yeah, normally you would not.

Speaker 1: 1:18:38

Yes, normally you would not. Yes, normally you would not. He actually doesn't have them available right now. It's just like if an emergency happens, a magic barrier goes down.

Speaker 2: 1:18:48

Dude, why can't I not say that?

Speaker 1: 1:18:50

You can, but I'm just saying well, because I'm afraid of like government buyback with guns, yeah, but Sig sells the guns to the government.

Speaker 2: 1:19:03

Oh well then, I mean, I don't know, I don't think that would happen.

Speaker 4: 1:19:08

The government needs a business to sell their guns.

Speaker 2: 1:19:11

They're not necessarily his, but they're not.

Speaker 1: 1:19:12

The government needs businesses to sell them guns.

Speaker 2: 1:19:16

Yes, but businesses bid for the guns.

Speaker 1: 1:19:21

Every time I talk to people in this country, I'm convinced our government gets dumber.

Speaker 2: 1:19:27

It's always been that way, though, like Browning, that's a company.

Speaker 1: 1:19:30

Yeah, I know Browning's a company. Yeah, I didn't know the government was like we need people to build those guns. It's a huge thing.

Speaker 2: 1:19:42

If Sig gets their gun into the government, that's a huge sell.

Speaker 1: 1:19:46

X amount of dollars. I understand that. I just thought the government would have the army creating guns, but I guess our government is just as dumb as I thought they were. No everything is made in China or some other country, it's just like how GM that true vermont dude, everything's are gone.

Speaker 3: 1:20:02

but here's the thing, though, is even our cars today chevy, you know, gmc, ford, they're all garbage vehicles, a hundred percent. My brother's chevy avalanche, that thing is not going to outlast the honda, it's not and that is the one qualm.

Speaker 1: 1:20:21

Well, that's one of the qualms I have with capitalism. I do not hate capitalism. I think it's the greatest economic system. But in this system you are right, because chevy and and ford and all, them. They don't think with guns, though yeah, they don't care, they just want to make money and they want people to come back and buy more, whereas honda and these other companies from foreign countries are like we want to make the best thing that's going to be best for you and last forever right, like I had my old 1991 honda I remember that thing I had for 10 years and I got it from 230 000 miles to over 500 and it was still chugging.

Speaker 3: 1:20:56

The only problem it had was that rust was holding the entire thing up, and that was that and that was right when I scrapped it I mean chevy and ford.

Speaker 2: 1:21:05

Technically isn't government though, is it?

Speaker 3: 1:21:07

no, it's not government it's, american it's american yeah, american made stuff is not sick is american made.

Speaker 1: 1:21:14

Yeah, but didn't you just say it's the same with guns?

Speaker 2: 1:21:17

I mean, it's the same with guns as in like. The government isn't good at making like anything which is the United States, correct? So that's what? Well, that's, that's a, wasn't it hasn't always been that way.

Speaker 1: 1:21:29

No, because it's most of like. Up until recently it's been the capitalist market where everybody is trying to make the best of the best. And that's why capitalism works, Because if you are a gun company and you make this gun and you sell it for such and such, but Johnny Bogarty down the street is like making a better gun and he can make it for slightly less, it's like whoa, what do we got to do to change? And that's why capitalism works.

Speaker 1: 1:21:57

But I think the best thing yeah yeah, it is the best thing, I agree, but I think there's times where it has gotten out of hand with, like when we think of cars ford and chevy. It's like honda's last forever.

Speaker 3: 1:22:09

Yeah they do, they really do so do toyota.

Speaker 1: 1:22:11

You could go a thousand miles over without changing your oil, and the engine's still not going to blow up and and that's because different countries like volkswagen, too, with germany like they're trying to make something for you that's going to last forever, that's going to be the best quality, whereas in capitalism we can get stuck in what we just want to make as much money as possible. So we're going to make a car that lasts 180 000 miles like a chevy and then when it does it craps out boom, you got to buy another one. You owe us more money, whereas with a honda it's like I remember his honda accord was what? 250 000 or was it.

Speaker 3: 1:22:48

It capped out. When I scrapped it again, it was still chugging on the original engine and transmission at over 500 000 miles on it 500 000, 500 000 yeah, 500 000 500 it was like 529 000?

Speaker 1: 1:23:04

are you sure it wasn't 320?

Speaker 3: 1:23:06

no, because I had that thing for over 10 years and I went to lansing and back and chicago and back. I did a lot of traveling in that.

Speaker 4: 1:23:12

Okay, well, I'm gonna take your word, that's only a couple thousand yeah, exactly, I'll take your word for it five hundred twenty thousand is a ton.

Speaker 1: 1:23:21

Yeah, I, I didn't see it, so I can't stop. I might have to take stefan's word, but yeah, they do last forever and kia like well, I think those are just cheap he has people garbage they they're not garbage, yeah, they are they had a

Speaker 3: 1:23:36

whole of their engines blowing up on people.

Speaker 1: 1:23:39

Dude, you called my car garbage. Well, everybody has recalls.

Speaker 4: 1:23:41

Yeah, I forgot, you have a Kia.

Speaker 1: 1:23:44

You do have a.

Speaker 2: 1:23:45

Kia, what do you have? I also see them all.

Speaker 3: 1:23:47

You have an Optima.

Speaker 2: 1:23:48

No, I got the one that everybody steals. Don't steal my car.

Speaker 1: 1:23:52

Kia boys the.

Speaker 2: 1:23:54

Kia boys will going to come steal my car.

Speaker 3: 1:23:55

But like, I'm sorry, but from my experience of like people that I've had personally that have had Kias, and then also me being an O'Reilly manager and having to deal with the Kia dealership, kila yeah, the Kila dealership and they have had nothing but recalls and issues with their vehicles, like nonstop. Like Kevin, one of the guys down there on plainfield. He was sitting there and he goes yeah, man, like this is our third engine replacement of the day today. And it's like why? And he goes oh, because you know, there's oil leaking into the rods and all this other crap or there's like a blown head gasket. I'm like, well, what's the mileage at? Is it over 100? Is it over 200? It goes, no, it's at 30.

Speaker 2: 1:24:34

And I'm like yeah, they didn't take care of their car when they were supposed to.

Speaker 3: 1:24:39

The only acceptable thing I find for Kias and I'm not personally attacking you, but as Kia is a car owner they are only good for student driver testing. That's it. That's the only use of a Kia.

Speaker 2: 1:24:53

But why is it like 25% of people are driving a Kia if you look around?

Speaker 3: 1:24:58

I mean because they're cheap. Is it because they're just cheap? Is that just because you own?

Speaker 1: 1:25:02

one, and you happen to see them more. No.

Speaker 2: 1:25:05

I literally, because they have two different symbols. You know what?

Speaker 1: 1:25:08

I mean the old school and the new one, the old school and the new school. How cheap are they?

Speaker 2: 1:25:11

There's a lot out there. You can get a new one for like 25. Yeah, that's okay.

Speaker 3: 1:25:18

A newer and that's like 35 okay, that ain't that cheap.

Speaker 1: 1:25:23

And how long are they lasting?

Speaker 2: 1:25:24

that's cheap and car standards and car standards yes but how?

Speaker 1: 1:25:28

how long are they lasting?

Speaker 2: 1:25:29

because if it's like, oh yeah, I don't think they're lasting that.

Speaker 1: 1:25:32

Well, okay, if you're saying that, I'm just saying you were to tell me that they lasted 200, maybe 220,000, I'd be like, yeah, okay, I don't think they're old enough, but I don't know, maybe some of the older ones, but the fact that they don't last that long is the problem. You can make a cheap car If you make a cheap car and it's like 15,000, but it only lasts 150,000,.

Speaker 3: 1:25:52

I'll buy one.

Speaker 1: 1:25:53

Yeah 15,000 bucks.

Speaker 4: 1:25:55

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:26:02

Yeah, 15 000 bucks.

Speaker 3: 1:26:03

Yeah, yeah, I'll buy one, but 25 000 I think it's 20, 21 to 25 yeah, yeah, well, either way, but over the 20 000 mark, that's a lot of money. And I was gonna say too, with back to the honda accord too, I also had an inline four, which those the four honda has been known to make the best four-cylinder, whether inline or not, inline four-cylinder, whether inline or not, inline four-cylinder engines.

Speaker 2: 1:26:20

I was going to say people don't even know what that means. Is inline? Yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:26:24

They make the best four-cylinder engines. They last forever. You could beat the crap out of it and it's still going to get you from point A to B. Their V6s probably not their best, but still pretty decent. Their V8s garbage. I'll say that I think I'm gonna stick with honda because I've had the best luck. I had a jeep at one point. That thing exploded at 300 000 miles on the dot, that is pretty good though, yeah, 300 000 for a jeep yeah, because jeeps are known to have a lot of electrical and mechanical issues.

Speaker 3: 1:26:56

There I mean, it was cool.

Speaker 1: 1:26:58

I like it, driving pointing up his finger. What do you want to say?

Speaker 2: 1:27:00

I was gonna say judy hops is staring at you right now. Yeah, dude, why she's?

Speaker 1: 1:27:05

like a dude she's been staring at me that's got the mustache those are whiskers, but the mustache necklace oh electric cars.

Speaker 2: 1:27:15

They're super expensive and they were blowing up a while back which one the Teslas.

Speaker 3: 1:27:24

Teslas Rivians are actually pretty good, not my, Elon Musk.

Speaker 2: 1:27:27

Yeah, I know, I mean, even if it is expensive sometimes, it doesn't last.

Speaker 3: 1:27:31

No, Teslas are garbage.

Speaker 1: 1:27:33

Guess who's got to go to the bathroom again, Dude no way you know what the problem is. Soda for me. Me is it's a dia, it's a diuretic, so it makes you pee a lot and I probably have.

Speaker 2: 1:27:44

Maybe it hits me more you know what else makes you pee a lot? What water? Yeah, but yeah, so I will.

Speaker 3: 1:27:54

if we were all forced to get electric vehicles at this point because that's what they wanted us to do is, I would go with a Rivian. I'm not even going to lie, it's a unibody.

Speaker 2: 1:28:05

What is a Rivian? It's a truck. I don't know about it.

Speaker 3: 1:28:07

Oh.

Speaker 4: 1:28:08

I should have looked that up.

Speaker 3: 1:28:09

Yeah, Rivians, they're actually now the Amazon partner with them and they have delivery vehicles that are now all Rivian electric. Rivian electric they're so far. They're they're pretty up expensive, like eighty thousand dollars or so, but they're pretty good electric vehicles so far compared to like a tesla.

Speaker 4: 1:28:25

Yeah, and then same thing, they hold up better oh, yeah, they hold up way better, are they like?

Speaker 2: 1:28:29

this is what I have a problem with electric cars is they're so freaking heavy dude yeah, and the battery's like twenty thousand dollars, like the brakes are like super expensive. It's like dude this. This car just has nothing but problems.

Speaker 3: 1:28:41

Oh yeah no, there was, uh, tesla rotors. I believe somewhere that I saw that like somebody, for just regular customer price was like almost 150, 200 bucks for each rotor. I'm like, are you kidding me? And they're not even like special, like vented or whatever, they're just like a solid rotor and it's like, are you kidding? Like that's ridiculous. And then even, too, the problem with electric vehicles. Now too, the batteries are like $20,000 starting.

Speaker 2: 1:29:08

Yeah, you can't afford that if it goes out.

Speaker 3: 1:29:11

No, and you have to be a certified technician. In that, so, like for Tesla, you have to be a certified Tesla technician. And plus Michigan right now in that, so like for tesla, you have to be a certified tesla technician and plus michigan right now. Yeah, that's the review. Yeah, that's the rivian they're. They're cool looking um, and the thing is too is that um in michigan?

Speaker 4: 1:29:27

since gm.

Speaker 3: 1:29:28

Like we're the automotive state pretty much. Um, they don't allow teslas to be worked on or whatever at in our state so you have to get it transferred over to another state that's certified to fix your tesla to get it looked at dude, I think they did that with uh amazon vans too you must have to do that um which?

Speaker 2: 1:29:48

I think that doesn't that doesn't create a free market. That's that's, but that's bullcrap in my my opinion. To me, I'll say this much.

Speaker 1: 1:29:56

Two things. First of all, rivian cars are awesome, even though they're electrical. And what are you saying doesn't create a free market.

Speaker 2: 1:30:03

If you can't work on an electric car yourself, like the battery and stuff like that.

Speaker 3: 1:30:07

No, I mean you can do basic stuff like brakes and stuff, but when it comes to the battery, yeah, no, you have to be certified because that's like lethal crap.

Speaker 2: 1:30:19

Like one false move. You're done like, yeah, but why can't you just get certified in?

Speaker 3: 1:30:21

michigan because we're they won't be able to. Gm owns the whole automotive industry, and that's competition, and tesla is elon musk, so that we are moving to a less free country yeah, it's something

Speaker 1: 1:30:34

I mean I don't want to say I just accept it, but it's true.

Speaker 3: 1:30:37

Well, yeah, I mean because again it sounds crappy, but like, for example, like you know, the, what was it that happened? The forest fires in Hawaii or something like that that happened? Yeah, there was something was about, I think it was I don't think it was Oprah specifically for the person, but they were looking to get more land.

Speaker 2: 1:30:59

And so people in the residency were like they were gonna buy the land.

Speaker 3: 1:31:00

Yeah, they were gonna buy the land. And people were like no, you're not doing that. And so those fires conveniently burned down that area of land and then anything that was marked with a certain thing was untouched, like there's property out there that was like it doesn't even look like anything went by it no fumes, no ashes, no nothing oh, we gotta investigate this now.

Speaker 2: 1:31:19

Right, we gotta put them and then put something around it.

Speaker 3: 1:31:22

Oh, oprah duane, the rock johnson, coming. They're like you need to give us money. It's like you guys make billions of dollars a year. I think you can afford it. We can't.

Speaker 1: 1:31:31

I can't even get rent, yeah stuff, and we talked about this on the last one, we don't want to go too into it yeah, I know, but it's like that.

Speaker 3: 1:31:37

That's just how it is, is like the people like not being a free country anymore. It's like that's how people literally are nowadays. If you're not going to give it up, then we're going to take it from you. At this point, it's not going to be your freedom.

Speaker 2: 1:31:49

That's like what the well, that's, that's what they're doing, sorry, go ahead. What the fourth one?

Speaker 3: 1:31:55

what that's. Freedom of speech. Is what amendment? The first one, or is that?

Speaker 1: 1:31:59

I think it's the first one, isn't it? Because the second amendment is guns, yeah the second is right to bear arms, yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:32:05

Freedom of press. I think is yeah, number one.

Speaker 1: 1:32:07

Yeah, which I think is also freedom of speech.

Speaker 3: 1:32:09

Right. So it's yeah, they're just going back and forth on that. It's like okay, cool, but you're also creating more problems if you're not letting us be able to do that. You know what I mean.

Speaker 2: 1:32:23

Yeah, I mean, that's what big businesses are doing with real estate too is they're buying all the real estate and renting it out to people. It's like why are you guys buying real estate? It doesn't make sense, no. So what about Florida?

Speaker 3: 1:32:36

That's like more recent, there was something with lithium or something like that wasn't there.

Speaker 1: 1:32:42

That was Hurricane Helene in North Carolina.

Speaker 3: 1:32:44

North Carolina. Okay, and that's just a conspiracy theory.

Speaker 1: 1:32:47

Well, we did kind of cover this on our last one.

Speaker 2: 1:32:50

I didn't know, sorry.

Speaker 1: 1:32:52

Well, I mean we can talk about it again. I just don't want to go too into it because I really don't want repeat conversations. I just don't want to go too into it because I really don't want repeat conversations. But the theory is that so I don't know if the government can create hurricanes, but I think they can.

Speaker 2: 1:33:08

That's a theory, dude. There's no way.

Speaker 3: 1:33:10

Yeah, there's been a theory for the government controlling weather. Well, that's what climate?

Speaker 1: 1:33:13

control is If they can control climate to be good, they can most certainly control climate to be bad.

Speaker 3: 1:33:19

if that's the case. Yeah, they could sit there and be like we're gonna have the worst winter in like america in 30 years or something.

Speaker 2: 1:33:25

Yeah, I just think that's here hearsay though yeah, like I don't think they can actually even create, uh well, weather. Yet I mean what?

Speaker 1: 1:33:32

about cloud seeding, like I'm pretty sure that's proven where they add water to the clouds and they make it rain. Well, yeah, and even too, I mean as a dumb example.

Speaker 3: 1:33:41

But like you know, like how they have ski lounges like Pando and uh Cannonsburg, they use fake snow. Yeah, but that's so small scale right, that's small scale, but just imagine if they had something that could go up there or do something that they put in with the crop dusting or some stupid crap.

Speaker 1: 1:33:58

Either way, that crop does all the theory.

Speaker 3: 1:34:03

We're going to move on. We're going to move on.

Speaker 1: 1:34:06

The theory is that they they were doing something with the weather during Kirk and Colleen to North Carolina because there was like. Either it was because there was lithium or it's like a very Republican area. So they're like trying to extinguish extinguish it.

Speaker 1: 1:34:25

Yeah the entire area. The theory is either that they created rain or more water, because if you look at it, it's a ton of water or that they're not helping them on purpose, because I feel like they lost more votes of the country because they didn't send any help, like the government just didn't even address it. It felt like you know well, not every move they do is smart. No, it's like sometimes the things they do is the the things they do backfire on them.

Speaker 2: 1:34:54

I will say that yeah, I think that one's one that backfired.

Speaker 1: 1:34:58

Yeah, for I would say like if, if, if it's true that they're not trying to help them because of because the whole, entire, entire entire area is republican yeah that's like really what happened then of course that's kind of crazy then of course it's gonna backfire because, like I said before, there are a lot of liberal moderates out there who are going to think about stuff and be like, yeah, that's kind of crazy, because I don't know if you saw, tony Henchcliffe was at the last Trump rally.

Speaker 3: 1:35:30

Yeah, we know who.

Speaker 1: 1:35:31

Tony.

Speaker 4: 1:35:32

Henchcliffe is right. Yeah, Kill Tony.

Speaker 1: 1:35:34

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:35:35

Kill Tony Dude. I really want to watch that show, but anyways, it's funny. The Kill Tony. I haven't seen any of it. A lot of it's funny, especially when Shane Gillis is impersonating Trump, Like he's so good. I love Shane Gillis. Yeah, it's funny, he's so funny.

Speaker 1: 1:35:49

But Tony Henchcliffe was at the latest Trump rally and that just blew my mind because he's In Grand. Rapids.

Speaker 2: 1:35:57

No, I'm just kidding. I don't know where it was. Awkward silence. Sorry, I cut you off.

Speaker 1: 1:36:03

Yeah, I don't know which one it was, but he was at it and it's just crazy to me because he was known as a very liberal guy. And it's just weird the the culture shifts that, like Republican conservatism, Christianity has been such a counterculture. Now, where it's starting to. Now we're in the section where it's starting to push back because the seventies happened. The feminist movement comes the. The the drugs, everything that happened in the seventies. It was like Woodstock.

Speaker 2: 1:36:39

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:36:40

And and prom promiscuity hard word to say, but like people sleeping around all of that stuff has been like the norm for over 50 years now.

Speaker 2: 1:36:52

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:36:53

And so Christianity and all that has become counterculture, and now we're starting to see, I think, a a pushback because to have all these famous people now starting to support republicanism is kind of weird.

Speaker 3: 1:37:08

Yeah, well, I mean, if you look too like, granted, I know Eminem's apparently been anti-Trump since you know forever, anti-trump since you know forever, but he's. He just came on the news recently at a kamala harris uh meeting or rally or whatever and he was talking crap about trump and all this other crap. And I'm just like, apparently people there there are people out there that'll sit there and be like, well, I'm not listening to his music anymore, but apparently he's getting a lot of backlash from it or something for him, just trash talking trump. It was just like when, uh, tenacious d, jack black's band member, he's getting a lot of backlash from it or something for him, just trash talking Trump. It was just like when Tenacious D, jack Black's band member, he's out there and goes don't miss Trump next time during the assassination attempt. And now, like Tenacious D doesn't exist anymore.

Speaker 1: 1:37:49

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:37:50

It's one of those things where it's just like you realize you're being an idiot at that point.

Speaker 1: 1:37:54

Yeah, when I was seeing so much backlash where, if you come out as the other side, yeah, now it's costing you yeah whereas before, like eight years ago, where, if you came off as a trump supporter.

Speaker 3: 1:38:08

Yeah, that would cost you well, mark, yeah, you know mark hamill too.

Speaker 1: 1:38:11

Yeah, he's, he's a liberal yeah, well, he's a nobody, he had he had luke skywalker and and that was a good role and he's joker.

Speaker 3: 1:38:20

That's the only thing I'll give him right now, other than star wars yeah, but he's not known for joker like he may have been a good joker, he is joker yeah, no, he's the cartoon one.

Speaker 1: 1:38:29

Yeah, but I'm saying he's not popularly known because unfortunately heath ledger took that role that's, yeah, that's true. And and everybody who thinks of Joker now thinks of Heath Ledger. It's not Mark Hamill.

Speaker 3: 1:38:41

Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 1: 1:38:43

Yeah, but anyway, it's like we're now seeing the counterculture as conservatism, and so we're now starting to see this pushback especially with Joe Rogan is now leaning more towards Trump.

Speaker 2: 1:38:58

Yeah, did you see he had him on?

Speaker 3: 1:39:00

yeah, that's crazy and then even streamers too. There was this guy named aiden, who's on kate and ross, yeah, he did it yeah he literally had trump on stream, like it was like holy crap, like that is that's. I don't think a president's been on like a streaming service like that before yeah, logan paul had him yeah, logan paul had him aiden ross, there was somebody else I feel like I had him too but theovan also did have bernie sanders yeah, but yeah, but he's crazy dude, but he's two for well, I think it's good to have both, but it's

Speaker 2: 1:39:33

two for one because he he had bernie sanders, then he had trump and then he had jd vance yeah so it's just interesting to see that now we're seeing this pushback with the counterculture as conservatism I think some people have really realized that, like, the democratic side is a little bit crazy, though yeah, well, even to like the last couple of years well, when me and my brother, john like, went to the trump rally, that was like right by our house.

Speaker 3: 1:40:02

We we saw his parents by the way. They were in line and I yeah, they did.

Speaker 4: 1:40:06

Yeah, we, we saw. What side are you on and the thing is is like we literally like we stood in line, we made conversation.

Speaker 3: 1:40:13

There wasn't any like, yeah, like f joe biden and whatever like that kind of thing, and there wasn't any craziness. And there wasn't any like, yeah, like f joe biden and whatever like that kind of thing, and there wasn't any craziness, and there wasn't. I'm sorry to say it diaper wearing people, where they're like having a diaper over their face, like you know, because covid still apparently exists today, where we need to wear a mask, mandate thing, like there wasn't any of that. And then we didn't have anybody like saying, yeah, you guys suck, you support trump, he's got corn hair and everything else. Like there wasn't any of that. It was all peaceful. But then if you look at, like the rally meets for, like the biden harris foundation, they had to have a free concert to get people to go and then, when the concert was over, they left. I don't know if you saw that. And then there was also two probably true where there was a green, they showed this.

Speaker 3: 1:40:59

There was a green screen of the audience over, like the, at the harris rally. At one of them there was a green screen on the back portion where, like it, the camera would be facing her, essentially where it was all backdrop with people, and then, like around, that was a bunch of people, but there was a whole section that was just empty, and so it's like, so not a whole lot of people showed up, so it's like, and then you have ai. That's an influence now too. They found excuse me, they found out that uh, part of kamala harris's, uh photos of, like her coming out of the jet and all this other crap all ai generated with the crowd and everything like that, yeah, yeah, because ai has.

Speaker 3: 1:41:35

Ai has a problem with hands and languages when it comes to like signs and stuff like that, like they found where a guy's holding up his phone I don't understand it either, it just does there's a guy that I was gonna say something else, but he's holding up his phone and he's got like he's got seven fingers holding up a phone and then there's a girl holding up a sign and it's like looking like a weird video game russian combination like of like lettering and stuff. And then you have people where, like they're facing away and stuff, but then their glasses are like looking all funky and it's, yeah, it's totally fake, so it's totally fake.

Speaker 3: 1:42:10

yeah, comma looks fine. And then there's other events too, where there's another rally and then guess what? It's all and again hands and signs like that don't even you can't like. If you go to a Trump rally and you see their stuff, like out in Pennsylvania or even in Michigan, you can see pictures of it and it's perfect, crystal clear. You can see Trump Vance, you can see vote for Trump and all this other crap. You can see people having four fingers and a thumb. It's like OK, they're really trying to make themselves look way better.

Speaker 1: 1:42:41

I really like that you differentiated the fact that the thumb is not a finger.

Speaker 3: 1:42:47

So good for you. It's true, I hate people that sit there and be like, oh, you have five fingers, it's like this is a thumb.

Speaker 1: 1:42:54

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:42:55

First finger. Call that the middle finger, ring finger and pinky finger. You know it's now thumb finger sounds well, if it's the middle finger yeah technically that's a special index finger yeah, the index finger, pointer, finger. Yeah, so it's, it's just one of those we know our yeah, our fingers.

Speaker 1: 1:43:13

Yeah, we know our fingers my ears hurt on this side, pinky finger.

Speaker 3: 1:43:15

Anyways, take them, take them up see, that's why bathroom breaks are great, because, my ears start to hurt on this side.

Speaker 1: 1:43:18

Pinky finger, anyways, take them off, see. That's why bathroom breaks are great, because my ears don't hurt at all.

Speaker 2: 1:43:23

Yeah, yeah, we got to take one, both me and you. Oh yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:43:30

Caleb's got us beat by two.

Speaker 1: 1:43:32

You're checking your time. Do you have to go at a certain time?

Speaker 3: 1:43:34

Like before nine, I would say and it's already 818. At a certain time, like before 9, I would say and it's already 8.18. Okay, Well, I was yeah, I was like I was just checking, I was going to say something else with the politics, because I have to work tomorrow and I get up at 5.30.

Speaker 1: 1:43:46

Yeah, well, we'll make sure you're out of here by before 9.

Speaker 3: 1:43:49

Well, I mean, I mean like I'm talking like leaving at 8. Okay, yeah, 10 more minutes uh, yeah, about just about like 12, if you want to be exact well, we've got to plan these earlier because, like I'm, not even close to being done yeah, I mean like I'm down to do it again, it's just, yeah, it has to be earlier for me at least, like if it's a monday, like what time do you get out of work usually, like on mondays, like I can get out at any time.

Speaker 1: 1:44:14

You can, yeah, if you.

Speaker 3: 1:44:16

If you want to do it at like, I can do it at four o'clock would be like fantastic, cause that's when my brother's kids get home, and then it's like they're already at home so they can watch the kids, and then we can just keep going.

Speaker 1: 1:44:27

Yeah, cause there's so much more we can talk about. But I didn't know you had real. I didn't realize you had to leave.

Speaker 3: 1:44:33

So early sleep pattern because I've been arriving to work like 20 minutes late, even though elizabeth don't care, it's just, she just is like yeah, you know, you're like you're supposed to call wait, so you have a girlfriend. No, that's my boss, oh wow yeah, I was like no she, um, yeah, she just is like she don't care because she also has the same issue that we weren't taking names dude.

Speaker 2: 1:44:54

Well, you know well that's.

Speaker 3: 1:44:56

Yeah, it's done, yeah, it's different yeah, so it's just, I'd rather try to get on a better sleep schedule where I'm going to bed early and that's where I'm like, all right, it's about 8 30 and I'm going to try to go to bed around 9 9 30. So I'd rather get home so I can have time to get you know. Simply, right to a degree, yeah, right, so, but yeah, well at that point, what were you gonna say?

Speaker 2: 1:45:16

the only other thing I was going to say is well, might go for maybe another couple minutes, because but with you were talking about Harrison taking the election even though there's nobody You're saying nobody's coming, actually coming, right? Yeah, I was listening to a podcast and they were talking about like buying, uh, like you know pretty much buying the election like I mean google and advertising and all that money can that get you power?

Speaker 1: 1:45:50

you mean because, it would like for more like output yeah, it's just the.

Speaker 2: 1:45:55

The democrats seem like they have more of the news outlet right now.

Speaker 1: 1:46:01

Yeah, well, I mean the billboards around Michigan. Of course they have more money.

Speaker 2: 1:46:05

Yeah, exactly Kind of like what you were saying.

Speaker 1: 1:46:07

I'm not talking about picket signs either.

Speaker 2: 1:46:09

Like picket signs are individual, I'm talking about like billboard signs that say yeah, yeah, I know, Like on the highway, yeah yeah, yeah, but even through Google, just like pushing that narrative and and just all that, it's like it makes the race a lot closer when it's like you have all of that power there and like historically the Democrats have had more money in general, that put they put towards.

Speaker 3: 1:46:34

It's like it's actually surprising that any republican has won because of how much money they have more well, if you really look at the numbers, trump could probably pour in his own money at that.

Speaker 2: 1:46:46

Yeah, but it's still not the same compared to how many people are like donating. No, like it's millions, like it's more than what trump has. Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 1: 1:46:54

Imagine if a million in the and democrats have at least a million people donating. Imagine if even one person donates one dollar. That's a million dollars.

Speaker 3: 1:47:04

That's true.

Speaker 1: 1:47:05

And they're donating a lot more than just a million. Yeah, so they're making it.

Speaker 2: 1:47:08

Yeah, it's rich people that are like, well, I can get a favor if I get this person in, yeah, and I guess that kind of brings up like the big pack mentality, mentality which nobody wants and nobody likes.

Speaker 1: 1:47:20

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:47:22

But that was only the last point. I don't know if you want to close out with that, I guess yeah we'll just close out with that so everybody.

Speaker 1: 1:47:30

Thank you so much for listening. Have a blessed week. Bye, I love you, bye, bye.