Unhinged Christian
Welcome to Unhinged Christian Podcast, where we dive deep into the stories and perspectives that challenge conventional religious thought. Join me, Caleb Parker, your host and fellow seeker, as we embark on a journey to explore spirituality, faith, and humanity from a refreshingly open-minded perspective.
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030: The Paranormal Puzzle: Aliens, Demons, and Conspiracy Theories Explored. With Stefan Hansen
Is Bigfoot a demonic presence lurking in the woods, or is it all just folklore? We kick off with a provocative question about Halloween and its perception as "the devil's holiday," as we navigate the line between innocent fun and deeper spiritual implications. Reflecting on our childhood experiences, we explore how certain traditions like pumpkin carving and dream catchers fit into Christian beliefs. Our conversation takes a chilling turn with a personal account of a demonic encounter in an old house, adding an eerie layer to our thoughts on haunted happenings.
The mystery deepens as we connect enigmatic phenomena like Bigfoot and UFOs to potential demonic activity, questioning the role of government cover-ups in concealing supernatural truths. We ponder the elusive nature of Bigfoot and the blurry sightings that often accompany these encounters, considering whether there's a supernatural reason behind it all. Our discussion stretches the limits of imagination by contemplating time travel and its moral implications, and we reflect on how humanity's pursuit of knowledge and technology might be influenced by unseen spiritual forces.
In a thought-provoking conclusion, we tackle conspiracy theories surrounding historical events. Did government manipulation play a role in the Titanic disaster, and could the moon landing have been a staged spectacle? We examine these questions with a critical eye, emphasizing the importance of fact-checking and encouraging our listeners to form their own conclusions. As we wrap up, we express our gratitude for your engagement and wish everyone a week filled with curiosity and discovery.
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stefan, how are you? I am great. Caleb, how are you doing?
Speaker 2:I'm good since that was like the, the same start of, like the old podcast that we used to do. Right, it was like identical. Since this is october, I'm just going to start this one off with what are your thoughts on halloween?
Speaker 1:my thoughts on halloween. In my opinion at least, how I was taught from mainly my dad was that halloween was more of the devil's holiday because it's you're. You're dressing up like granted, like captain america, is not like celebrating the devil's holiday, but like if you're dressing up and doing like demonic things, like there's some people that dress up as like a demon or satan or they're trying to like like some people go as jesus and they're mocking him and stuff like that in a way because, like, they're getting drunk or they're doing whatever, and it's more of a mockery at that point towards God and that's why they call it the devil's holiday.
Speaker 1:And then it's also too, there's some stuff that actually happens on Halloween too that are very you could call it satanic at that point, but it's really dark, some people. What my dad taught us, not as kids at this point, but when we got older, is that he said, like there was a girl he knew I think it was my sister who I don't consider my sister. Um, she was a witch and into the whole satanism thing. Yeah, and I again, I don't keep up on her because I don't consider her, she's just a stranger to me at this point. She's someone that I know, but she not her personally. But she knew people that would do sacrificial crap, whether it's a lamb where they do the sacred sword or knife thing or whatever.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So that's where it takes like. It takes halloween to a whole nother level, like and the media and society in general and I hate using the word society, but they use it in a like oh, it's fun for the kids, they're gonna get candy, they're gonna dress up as sonic the hedgehog or whatever they want to dress up as and trick or treat. But yet there's also people too that put like razors in the candy and all that other crap, so they have their own agenda. So it's not a holiday really to be celebrating in the christian viewpoint yeah, I think, I think.
Speaker 2:For me it's more like a celebration of fall yeah that's where, that's the way like I think of it. But yeah, dressing up as long as it's not something bad. What is that buzzing noise?
Speaker 1:yeah, now it's gone I don't hear.
Speaker 2:Let me try turning my mic back up again yeah, I don't hear it anymore okay, yeah, I think it was because it was like by the power cord yeah okay, cool so I'll probably just edit that out. Yeah, that's fine. Um, so back to celebrate halloween. Yeah, I think like for the most part, halloween is probably not the best thing to celebrate as a christian right um, you know, like I don't think that it's bad. Well, here's the thing is jack-o'-lanterns are supposed to keep bad spirits away which sounds.
Speaker 1:I didn't know, I know right, it's kind of like a dream catcher uh, like, you know, like how dream catcher, yeah, you know how well, it's not a native american thing.
Speaker 2:But dream catchers are. But yeah, jack liners are are not. But you know how, like with a dream catcher, you would use it so that it catches bad dreams at night. Yeah, now that sounds good on paper, but obviously it is still an evil practice because we're not supposed to put our faith right in a pumpkin.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly or anything other than jesus.
Speaker 2:So it's like should we still carve pumpkins, even if it's just for fun, like if we're not, if?
Speaker 1:we're not thinking in the in the presence of like. Again, what you're saying is like relying it as a dream catcher per se, like oh, make sure the demonic spirits don't come near me, that kind of thing. That's kind of like a weird gray line area, I feel like cause it's like if it's still wrong in the eyes of the Lord, then it's like probably shouldn't do it. We're all guilty of sin, though at the same time yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1:That doesn't mean we want to intentionally do it right, because there's some people and I'm not gonna lie, there's some things that I do still, where it's like, um, like I view as well, it's not as bad as I could be doing this kind of perspective yeah, I think everybody has those moments yeah, so, and that's how I kind of view the you know pumpkin carving kind of thing.
Speaker 1:It's just I don't know why you just looked at me I was like I know, I know there's a laugh coming, but yeah, it's just in that viewpoint of things. It's like sure, yeah, if you're doing it for fun, whatever you do, you boo boo. But like, if you're doing it for like satan is lord, like then it's like right then that's fine.
Speaker 2:But at the same time it's like should we ever own a dream catcher, even if we just think that it looks cool? Because, even if we just think that it looks cool, it's like what if we want to own devil horns just because they look cool?
Speaker 1:yeah, oh yeah. That dream catcher made of uh, twigs and yarn is really gonna get you from a demonic uh you know presence coming in your house. If it were that easy to get rid of a demonic presence, I think the amityville horror or anything like that would not happen to this day. No haunting would ever exist, ghostbusters would not exist okay, our haunted house is a real thing.
Speaker 2:Do you think so?
Speaker 1:uh, I think the perspective of not like a ghost as people say, I think it's more again of a demonic presence that makes you because that's how these demons play games they, they make, because of how everybody and their imagination and everything like that I can believe. Some of it's a lot of combo, things Like you could just like go into like my house and say it's haunted.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And then with your imagination because we all have one if you're a sane human being, then you're going to be like, oh crap, I'm going to look for, like you know, shadows on the wall or wall or the light flickering or something stupid like that. But if you're also in that perspective of in a spiritual connection, where it's like you have faith in the Lord and somebody says it's haunted and you're actually seeing these things, it's 100%, regardless on your viewpoint, demonic 100%. It's not your dead uncle that came back because you owe him 20 bucks and he's haunting you, scratching walls.
Speaker 2:It's literally a demonic person Coming back for the 20 bucks. Huh.
Speaker 1:Actually funny story. So my dad, and he swears this is true because this is when he was at a point in his life where he just did not care about christ or anything like that. Yeah, and he, he knew, like he existed, you know, but he just didn't care and he had a lot of stuff going on. And so what happened was is, one night he was I I forget how old he was, I think he was probably in his 20s or something like that and he, um, he, he was sleeping in bed and he was at home by himself and all of a sudden he saw this figure appear in front of him and it was his, I think. He said it was his dad, earnest, my grandfather, who I never met because he drowned, but like he, I know just slight details hidden in there, yeah, but I mean he did. He actually drowned in a boating accident and so like he was paralyzed from the waist down earnest is also the name of somebody who definitely comes back.
Speaker 2:That's true. That's a joke.
Speaker 1:I don't believe in ghosts I ain't afraid of no ghost, no, um. So, aside from that, moving on, joke we, so he, he, he was laying in bed. This figure appeared out of like nowhere and he says, swear to god on the bible. Like he was um, levitated, like he, just he was stiff your dad was.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he would believe him here's the thing, though, because a lot of stuff here. Here's the thing with when you come to that point where maybe god wants you in a different position, I don't think he's gonna like lift you up in the air and be like it's me, you know, but like he's gonna do stuff that's gonna make him like more present. Like whether it's like okay, I want money and then you get money, but then it's like, okay, he may just take it away from you because you're not learning how to either use your money wisely or you're not like using it the correct way or honoring him with the blessing.
Speaker 1:So it's. It's more of like I can and can't believe him, because he also did a lot of hallucinogenics back then. But he was also at a point when he said that he was. When he saw the figure of his dad. He was not on the hallucinogenics like he had cleaned himself up and stuff like that, because that's just how it was back then. You could get any kind of drug known to man pretty much. So he was levitated out of his bed and brought face to face with his dad and his. His dad apparently spoke to him and he said that you will have some events happen in your life and one of them is your aunt or his sister, I guess, or whatever that is just is going to die within the next like two months.
Speaker 1:And the creepy part was that, whatever date and time frame that that entity or demonic presence had told him that this person's going to die.
Speaker 1:They actually died on the exact date and time and place and it happened, think, two or three times, because in that whole interaction it told him this is what's happening. And so again, it's not just Casper the friendly ghost coming up to you and telling you this, it's a demonic presence and the devil's trying to make himself known to hey, if you don't worship me at that point it's like a threat almost. I guess is how I look at it through like demonic president or presidents, demonic presence of, like ghosts and haunted stuff. Is that it's the devil leading for fear, like, okay, I'm obviously going to make myself more well known than jesus, you know. So I'm going to scare the crap out of you and I'm gonna possess you and you're gonna know that I'm real so it's not actually your dad seeing his dad, it's your dad encountering a demon a demon impersonating his dad and my question is is how would the demon per se know when and how this person is going to die?
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, it is the spawn of Satan to a degree, but Well, they're fallen angels. Yeah, they're fallen angels. So I would assume with that you know, in hell or heaven, everybody knows the times of events and deaths and being born or whatever what's going to happen to you. In a way, they know this because they know at the end, when the rapture happens to, they're going to know who's going to be on God's side and there's going to be people that are unfortunately going to be burning in hell for all eternity.
Speaker 2:Until that, stuff and Hanson saying it like it is, I'm just saying it's in reality, you know, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:It's, it's, it's like that, so it's that demonic entity coming in as again a familiar face or whatever, and they're, they're all knowing, and so that's how that ended up happening, and so that's when I think god is really the only one that's all knowing he is yes, but I still feel like in but that's still freaky.
Speaker 2:If what your dad is saying is true, yeah, of course there's no way for me to know.
Speaker 1:Right, I'm just taking his word on it right now, but right.
Speaker 2:Same with you, but I don't ever take him as a liar, so I don't ever take him as a liar, so, but if that actually happened, that is pretty freaky right, like I know one thing that happened to me that I can guarantee you was a demonic presence.
Speaker 1:Oh, so you remember Penn street, that one house.
Speaker 2:Do I ever?
Speaker 1:Yeah, that place. So context a little bit. This house was built in like the 1800s or something like that, or 1700s, so it was old but somewhat modified to modern day kind of structure, I guess, other than the iron octopus furnace that we had downstairs. But I was old enough to stay at home by myself. One night, my baby sister, she gave my mom a paper, cut in the eye or near the eye or something like that, and so I was old enough, though, to stay at home by myself. And this is folks. This is going to be like how old I am, and some of you may be at this age, I know, you know, but MySpace was a thing.
Speaker 2:Yes, it was.
Speaker 1:And Facebook, I think was just coming in.
Speaker 2:Yeah, MySpace and Zynga were the first.
Speaker 1:Yes, it was, and Facebook, I think, was just coming in.
Speaker 2:Yeah, MySpace and Zanga were the first social media. Man that is crazy that you brought up MySpace.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know dude Talk out scary. Yeah, what was his name? Tom would always send you a friend request.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Tom the creator.
Speaker 1:This dumb guy with a clipboard or whatever it was a white board just staring into the camera. But anyhow, what happened was is, um, I was at home and I was updating my myspace, listening to music, because everybody when they were a teenager back in like the early 2000s, listened to green day. So I was listening to green day or whatever, updating my stuff. And this is the creepiest part, because I was at home because everybody else left to go to the hospital see if mom was okay, because obviously I wasn't old enough to. For some reason, I was old enough to stay at home by myself and not watch my baby sister or my brother, who was pretty much like he was only like two years younger than me. So, yeah, whatever, but he wanted to go. So I was at home and all of a sudden, what I heard?
Speaker 2:this, this still terrifies me oh man, I gotta sleep here tonight by myself.
Speaker 1:I'm scared so it was upstairs, so the computer, mind you, was right by the stairs, so we had our living room TV's right here. Stairs are right where the Arizona T is and, for those of you who can't see, it's in the center of where my microphone is, and then to the right is the computer, directly next door. So I'm sitting there just doing stuff and out of nowhere, right, I hear like like heavy boot prints upstairs, like somebody, because we had one of those roofs too that you could, like you could climb up to and climb on that flat part or whatever of like the awning or whatever you call it on a house. And then all of a sudden I heard like that, and then it was just like one of those, like in a typical horror movie. You hear like a reverse scream, like if, if a girl was screaming, and then you reverse the audio and it was like yeah like that.
Speaker 1:It was like that, and then all of a sudden, right next to me, I heard a big boom, like a thud, like somebody had gotten pushed down the stairs from the very top and landed right next to me. And at that point this was also. The other part that terrified me is that there was, like the we had the porch door and then we had the main door to the house, because in order to get in the house you had to go through the porch yep, I remember. And the main door was swinging open and closing like crazy, and then, like some of the lights were like flickering in the living room where that event happened, and then I heard the boots like like coming downstairs, like he was like getting ready to do something or whatever. And I and again, how old I am, landline phone, mind you, because cell phones, I think, were just coming out to be okay, but like they weren't the greatest. So we had a landline phone, fully charged, and I grabbed sam, our golden retriever. I grabbed her food, dish and water that were right next door.
Speaker 1:I grabbed the landline and my room was right next to the computer and I locked myself in my room with sam, with the food and water and I sam is your dog sam yeah, sam's a dog and I locked myself in my room until I knew that mom and annika and john were all coming home and I called them because my mom had a cell phone. It was like a little Motorola Razr or whatever yeah right.
Speaker 1:And I was like Mom, you've got to get home quick or send somebody over here right now because I'm scared. And she goes Well, what's wrong? And I'm like, well, I heard this happening. And she was like, you know, probably just your imagination. You know typical horror movie. Like, you know, I, probably just your imagination. You know typical horror movie, like, oh, the kids just got a really great imagination and then it ends up being something like terrifying. But yeah, that was, I guess you could say, my one encounter with a, uh, paranormal activity of some kind. But really it was a demonic presence, I think, trying to scare me because, you know, you get a young teen and they're still at that point where they don't know who they are or what they want to do or believe in to some extent, and then that happened and that was terrifying, mind you, this was before the movie Paranormal Activity came out too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, which was a very real movie.
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely Same with the Blair Witch Project Right, project right, but yeah, that was. That was terrifying to me. So I believe that was 100 percent demonic, because to me it felt like somebody in that house and I think we did research on it I think somebody at that house um, murdered, uh, their wife there, or something like that, back in whatever time period it was, and the husband had pushed down the wife or whoever it was it was a girl, obviously and a guy and pushed her down the stairs and then just I don't know after that. So it was like holy crap, that's terrifying. It would have been different if it was a thud, because then I could be like, okay, it was my holy crap, like that's terrifying. And especially, it would have been different if it was a thud, because then I could be like, okay, it was my imagination, yeah, but the doors unnecessarily swinging, open and close, slamming, with lights flickering, that's terrifying.
Speaker 2:Was it windy out?
Speaker 1:No, that's the thing. It was just like it was, I think at I know it was at nighttime, but I thing it was just like it was, I think at I know it was at night time, but I think it was like maybe like seven o'clock somewhere around there. It wasn't like total like dark, like oh, I gotta go to bed, it's almost 8, 30, you know that kind of thing, but that it was around that nighttime period and it wasn't that late, and so because I knew to be in bed by a certain time, yeah but I did not sleep that night, I can tell you that much, and so that was my one encounter.
Speaker 1:I don't know if I I can't remember if I had any other ones, but I know for a fact that one was the one right there that was the most terrifying, and I 100 agreed that it was demonic, because I don't think god sent his angels down to just be like hey, yeah, angels, don't come to cause fear no although they are pretty weird looking when you when they're described in the bible, but they always come like what?
Speaker 1:like an eyeball with like 30 wings and it's like got like all eyeballs on each wing or something like that yeah, it is weird.
Speaker 2:But they also say they also show themselves and say do not be afraid, right, and they probably say that for a reason, because they know they look weird right, but also if I saw that thing flying around and they were like, do not fear me I would fear it. Yeah, I would fear.
Speaker 1:I'm not going to sit there and just be like if the Chupacabra was real or Bigfoot and be like, oh, you know, it's like ooga booga. And then I'm like, oh okay, I don't fear you anymore because you said a funny word in English or something stupid like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I think that if yeah, there's no way it was an angel in your house. Yeah, no, it was most likely because angels yeah, angels are there to protect.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they're to help guide you even, too, and so, like how I looked at it is like, when you have this is how I view like nightmares versus like good dreams and stuff is every day, these angels are, and it's not in a bad way, but like they are protecting you and they're under attack by demons and they're blocking them from trying to like cause harm to you per se. So, like, if you have nightmares, like those angels are trying to fend off the demons that are like trying to come at you per se, like they're they're watching around you because if anything happens in the house, like you're under god's protection at that point, yeah, and so that's how I kind of use it, at least in the spiritual sense.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, in the spiritual sense. So I view it like that. I haven't had a nightmare in a minute. But I will say it is a different experience when it's like for me I know that I have God's protection, even though I have my own protection at home to help, like if I'm watching the kids or if I'm just by myself, like I have that calming sense that I didn't have before, like when that stuff was happening at penn street, that I'm under god's protection. Yeah, you know, and so it brings a calmness. So then it's like I don't really even need that.
Speaker 1:I feel like, sure, I'm not going to say I'm just going to put it away in the safe real quick, you know, and just not trust that somebody is going to break in the house. But it's more of like I can at least sleep, knowing that I'm under God's protection and if something does happen, that I'll be at least be given a warning of some kind, like whether it's like I wake up to go pee or I just wake up because I'm hungry and then, oh shoot, somebody's breaking in, and then it's like all right, cool, so that must have been god's sign and the angels like letting me know hey, get up, you know like so that's at least how I I view that kind of like the whole ghost and hauntings and stuff like that, because there's no way that, like someone from like 1684, like during the Black Plague or whatever time period that was, is still roaming in purgatory at this point.
Speaker 1:And they're just messing with humans because, ooh, you have modern day technology and I'm still trapped in the 1600s where we poop in a bucket and dump it out a window like wow, like an 18th century limerick or something like that yeah, no, yeah, I don't think that it's a ghost from somebody who because once you die you, you die and your soul goes wherever you decided you wanted it to go, whether it's heaven or hell at that point there is no in between yeah, there's not like they're not roaming this earth to haunt us.
Speaker 2:It was. It's demonic activity for sure exactly because the devil does cause fear, which is scary. Those stories were scary stuff and you did not wrong, but there's gonna be scary stories today there are and I do know a few, so in a couple conspiracy theories as well oh, what a transition to what convenient timing.
Speaker 2:What convenient time is speaking? Well, you did mention it, though, bigfoot. What do you think? I mean, I think we talked about this a little bit in another episode, way back yeah I think it was like two episodes ago of you, yeah, so like we have one episode that you were on, but then the one before that we were, we dived a little bit into big fella. What do you think bigfoot is?
Speaker 1:I think he's one of the scariest monsters known to man, next to bigfoot, first of all. Well, um, I had to throw that in there I had. Yeah, I know, oh, I know, see, okay, so here's my opinion about bigfoot. All right, I don't think. He's just some hairy guy who forgot to get a haircut at sports clips and was like, oh man, I'm just gonna live in the woods.
Speaker 2:I think he is.
Speaker 1:His real name is Hugo he's just misunderstood? No, I think, because they're still discovering creatures. And hear me out before you're just like oh, they're still going to discover Bigfoot, but so they're still discovering creatures in the ocean and they're still discovering creatures on land. I was going to say so, bigfoot's in the ocean and they're still discovering creatures on land.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna say so, bigfoot's in the ocean. But you're finished.
Speaker 1:He's swimming with the fishes. He's swimming with the megalodon and that's another one too is like people still believe that thing still exists.
Speaker 2:I think the megalodon could still exist yeah, well, we haven't even discovered what is it. Is it 70 of the ocean, or is it?
Speaker 1:we've only, I think, been through 30 of the ocean, so there's still a whole 70 we do not know anything about yeah like james cameron's been the only one to go to so far. What we know of is the deepest part of the ocean which is where the titanic is no, titanic is actually. He's been down there too, right? Yeah, he he's, yeah he's. He made the movie titanic yeah he did the actual footage, recordings of the shipwreck and other stuff like that so what is the deepest part that we know of the mariana trench?
Speaker 1:oh, it's a nemo, that one's, yeah, that one. So titanic is two and a half miles under the sea and the Mariana Trench, I believe, is I think it's like six plus miles or ten plus miles. It's deep. There's a shipwreck I know, I think it's a Japanese or German Navy vessel, I believe, and that thing is like way down in the depths of the ocean. I forget how deep it is, but it is way, way, way, way deeper than any shipwreck ever discovered. Like it's got a world record of how deep it is and so that technically is like the deepest part of the ocean, but I think it's not as deep as the Mariana trench. But the Mariana trench just goes on forever and James Cameron, I think, has been the only one so far to be able to make a submarine that doesn't implode, with duct tape that can go down there and survive that pressure.
Speaker 2:I just I know the reference the Titan, the Titan Did you know too.
Speaker 1:Side note, they showed unreleased footage of how they found it. It was only, I think, a few hundred feet away from the actual Titanic wreck, and so the implosion didn't crunch them like they thought.
Speaker 2:It actually sandwiched them, that's just as bad, I know it is.
Speaker 1:It's just as bad, because there's the dome of titanium, and then there's the other dome of titanium over here, and then there's the carbon fiber hull. And here's the dumbest part too. Other than the fact it was made with a Logitech controller to control this thing down there, it was sealed with glue hey titanic trip on a budget, bro, you gotta yeah, for billionaires, like you would think.
Speaker 1:If you're paying the, the, the whole um trip sheet literally said you cannot sue us if you die. Literally put that in the contract like you can't come after us, like you may die on this trip. But yet several or five billionaires were stupid enough to go down in this thing and then done. I feel bad for the kid, don't be wrong, I feel like I feel bad.
Speaker 2:The, the ceo, knew exactly you don't feel bad for the guys here's the thing they were rich and snooty and well, do you know that they were snooty?
Speaker 1:yes, they were rich and snooty. They were over zealous about their whole. I have money and the kid didn't even want to go. The kid that died didn't even want to go but his dad insisted because it was a once in a lifetime thing and it would be a nice father son bonding and yeah, they bonded with the submarine all right in a lifetime literally yeah, literally yolo, yeah, that old catchphrase, um.
Speaker 1:But yeah, they showed unre unreleased footage from whoever took it, when they went down there to explore the wreck. And the tail fin was like perfectly intact. But obviously that wasn't pressurized and that's kind of like how, when the Titanic sank, so the bow was filled with water. Water can't pressurize really if it's filled with water, so that's why the bow was in such good condition and the stern imploded. So it basically did what the submarine did, but like 10 times worse because it's a ship versus a submarine, and so that's why it's almost dangerous to go down near the stern section, because everything is falling apart. I'll shut up about Titanic for a second.
Speaker 2:Anyway, I was going to say just be. Just because somebody is snooty doesn't mean that they're no more deserving of that. Us to die, and I need you to repent on air no, I, I'd not say, I'd not say.
Speaker 1:I know you're saying yeah, yeah, it's just like, okay, if you're gonna be rich and snooty, like, and then something happens like that's on, that's on you bud like that's not on me yeah, there's a lot better option that they could have taken exactly however, we did get sidetracked with the ocean, which is great.
Speaker 2:There's the ps5 controller joke once again it was like any any is so big foot, it will not yes, it will not be the last time we heard the ps5 controller joke.
Speaker 1:It will come back up later or titanic or titanic I at least have one uh conspiracy theory on that yes, but right now we're on the big, the big foot who's not in the ocean?
Speaker 2:he's not he's on dry land, he's on dry land and xbox you with a ps5 with a ps5 but bigfoot, you're saying, you were also saying that there's parts of land that you think that we haven't discovered yeah, so they've.
Speaker 1:Actually I. There was one episode that on a national geographic or like an animal planet kind of show where they discovered a bird that they thought had gone it's not the dodo or anything like that or like the animal planet kind of show, where they discovered a bird that they thought had gone it's not the dodo or anything like that or like the blue bird from like rio, that one pixar disney movie or whatever. Yeah, like, because that thing's extinct apparently. Now, um, but there's some kind of bird that they thought was extinct and then all of a sudden it's like they're all in the trees, like there's thousands upon thousands of them, and it's like okay.
Speaker 1:So I again this is where I'm kind of in a gray line area about Bigfoot existing. I don't think like a humanoid creature is just chilling in the middle of the woods, regardless, if he's got like the same brain capacity as like an ape that you see at the zoo, yeah. If he's got like the same brain capacity as like an ape that you see at the zoo, yeah. Or even as a more complex mind like me and you, where we have like we're we're lingual, I guess, is I think that's the word like we can speak words like we have more linguality.
Speaker 2:I don't know, I don't know what speak languages yes, we can speak languages.
Speaker 1:Bigfoot's probably smarter than me at this point because he can probably come up with better words for it. But yeah, I think there there might be something that maybe resembles it a bit, like maybe another species of like ape in america yeah, I think so.
Speaker 2:I think you never know I don't want to be hiking out in the woods, you know when there's apes out there well, just think of it as like tarzan moment. All right, like you're gonna be raised by this ape and then can you imagine being kidnapped by bigfoot, and then him and his like just adopting you and like raising you in the jungle is one of his own, or something?
Speaker 1:yeah, that'd be dude, it would be terrifying, but it's also like hilarious to think about too, because you know it's bigfoot you know right, it is funny to think about.
Speaker 2:But where were we?
Speaker 1:yeah, apes in america yeah, I mean there's a bunch of creatures in america are like distinctive, like per state or per country, you know, like the state bird or the state bear or whatever, or like there's just certain animals that like live in a particular part of the world, like giraffes are like, as far as I know, just in Africa I think. I don't think they're like michigan, just naturally chilling, you know. Same with elephants, like I know there's like india and everything like else that they have that stuff. But again you don't see anything like that.
Speaker 1:so there might be something again exclusive exclusive to us in the united states and whatever, because I mean I know like up north they're like oh the yeti, but that's basically like a white bigfoot yeah, not even basically. That's what it is, yeah, yeah and then there's like where, okay again I think in a way like maybe okay, here's the other dumb thing.
Speaker 1:So like how there's always like experiments with like monkeys and stuff in labs, like we all know that like they they're testing product or they're testing like medicine, if you know, let's just say hypothetically there was a monkey or an orangutan or something like that, or a silverback gorilla that just was being tested on for eyeliner or something like that, or just some kind of cure. Let's just say, let's just relate it to modern day, like a cure for covid or something like that, or a cure for cancer, something stupid. And it gets injected with it and it starts mutating. Like I think something like that is a possibility, because they do weird stuff with stem cells too. Like you can like shave a rat down to like its bare naked body and you can grow like a human ear and then you just cut it off and then the skin yeah, it's weird, and then you just like it's for like with people, like from war, like that come home.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that need an ear yeah, like that, I'm like, okay, that's, that's kind of cool, because then they can at least live somewhat of a normal life at that point, like they don't have to have a fake plastic ear anymore.
Speaker 1:They can actually like try to fix their hearing and have a normal ear, like me and you, you know kind of thing, and they can have that back yeah so I feel like maybe there's something like that where it's like an experiment gone wrong kind of thing, where it's like it's just again testing on different chemicals, fluids, whatever, and then it just somehow escaped, because I can tell you with 100 certainty that they can't just contain everything all in one thing. You know, like that's true so something or someone done messed up and it got out, and so it's not going to be no prehistoric humanoid creature running around. It's probably just some kind of like animal that mutated gorilla mutated gorilla, so yeah, well, that's a first for me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that I've heard, because I've also heard the back to this subject the demon theory, that bigfoot could be a demon that I did not know.
Speaker 2:Please elaborate well, when you see pictures of it and they're always blurry and the people, people always talk about shadows of it and seeing it. There's one story that was on youtube of this guy who's speeding and the cop pulls him over. But then the cop is like freaking out. He's like, did you see that? And the guy's like what? That thing that ran across the road and it's like oh, like one of those, yeah, one of those stories where it's like, yeah, it ran across the road and we never see that.
Speaker 1:To get it on camera and it's like with the crappiest quality Nokia phone from like the 90s.
Speaker 2:So I don't know, because the story originates from somewhere.
Speaker 1:Here's my thing.
Speaker 2:And it's made it everywhere.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I agree with you with the aspect too of if it were already like a real thing. And that's where it's like, because I can agree with you too on like the whole demonic presence of basically Bigfoot being a demon, kind of thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:We would have gotten. Look at the technology today that we have. We can see pimples on people's faces of celebrities if we wanted to and cleared 4k, even 8k.
Speaker 2:What an example to use I know, right, I'm just.
Speaker 1:But like then bigfoot is like on a 1990s nokia cell phone, that's right, yeah, like that's all. Oh, my god, you see that. And then it's like they're just wiggling it around and stuff like that and it's just like dude, yeah it's always shaky yeah, it's shaky, or they drop it. It's like oh man, I gotta get my phone.
Speaker 1:Oh, oh, it's gone yeah yeah or they're just like and then you see, like the, the handprint, or the, the footprint, that looks like a human foot. No way, frank, come here. And then it's like look at that, that's a big foot and then it's clearly a bear claw.
Speaker 2:He's fishing with a fishing net uh no, that's funny. Yeah, that could be it too. It could just be a story like a fable. Yeah, because I don't know. I don't know if you can get pictures of demons like our demons here's, here's the okay.
Speaker 1:So here's something on that but then yeah I feel like you can and can't, it's both. And the thing I'm relating it to is, like, have you ever seen or uh heard of the? I? I think they have actual audio and pictures of the exorcist, like no, I have not I've.
Speaker 1:I mean there's the movie, but that's obviously yeah like, but they have, there's like actual audio from like I the exorcism or something like that, like the real one. That's like you can hear everything and it's like the voice is like of nothing, like I've ever heard of somebody speaking like, even with voice, acting like you'd have to do a lot of tunage of auto-tune and whatever like venom. You know like how.
Speaker 1:He's like we are venom, like yeah, yeah but it's like something that's like I don't even think anything could like replicate that, and it's in a different tongue too, like you hear English, but then it's like a different tongue or something like that, like it's like not even a language that anybody's been able to like translate.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And then there's also pictures of, like, what happened to the girl and everything like that that was possessed, and then how the priest like threw him down the stairs or something like that, because he took the demon inside him and then he just basically offed himself to get rid of the demon.
Speaker 2:So, is that like the true story of the exorcist?
Speaker 1:I want to say it's just like one of those.
Speaker 1:It's not a conspiracy kind of thing, but it's literally like this was like the first known like actual audio recording and pictures of an exorcism taking place like way back in the day, and they have pictures of, like the girl and what she looked like before and then after she's like skin and bone, she's got marks on her body and she does not look human. So it's like that's terrifying. So I think in a way, you can't, I don't think you're gonna catch like you know what I mean, like a red guy with horns or anything like that right, but you're gonna're going to catch something of a demonic presence.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Whether it's not like a shadow kind of thing, because anybody can make a shadow. I could sit there on that lamp over there in the corner and go like look a dog yeah. And they'd be like oh my gosh gosh, it's a ghost dog from hell, you know right. So in a way you can capture demonic presence in reality, but also you're not going to catch again like just some demon chilling like you know, like he's just there in the woods, seven foot tall yeah, in the woods.
Speaker 1:Seven foot tall and shaped like a monkey yeah, yeah, shaped like a monkey with his xbox controller. So, yeah, that's that's kind of my perspective on that, at least for the whole demonic, with bigfoot being a demon, possibly, and then also, can you actually catch evidence of it? Yeah, you can.
Speaker 2:So you think you could capture a picture.
Speaker 1:Well, I ain't going to go searching in a haunted house or like and I'm not asking you to, no, never I ain't going to go to Diddy's basement and like try to find like a pentagram anytime soon and be like oh, let me capture a demon real quick yeah, nice, nice, nice going there out of nowhere I know, but I'm just saying do you think I get me with baby lotion too at that point? Oh, here we go down the rabbit hole, down the rabbit hole, down the rabbit hole. No returns.
Speaker 2:Oh, we're returning. But you think that, say like, bigfoot is 100% a demon. You think that we could possibly get a picture of said demon without him?
Speaker 1:possessing somebody.
Speaker 2:Or does there have to be a possession so we can actually see, like, what the demon is doing to somebody that I don't know, that one's kind of a? Well, you better figure it out sorry, I'm trying.
Speaker 1:No there. I think in a way you could get like a picture of it, um, with, like you know, without having a possession be involved.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But also again, when a demon and again in the case of the exorcism takes possession of a human being, it you can yeah, you can see that there's something not of reality today that's normal about that person.
Speaker 2:So in a way, you can capture it, with or without you know what I mean yeah, I mean, they capture ufos allegedly yeah, roswell, or you know uh, area 51 yeah, and I, because there's a lot of speculation now with all this alien stuff, and I'm not talking about the cake, yeah, the alien cake, yeah, the cake from Mexico that they're like.
Speaker 1:we have two species of aliens that we caught. We're just releasing them to the public. Ooh, chocolate.
Speaker 2:Yeah right, Exactly.
Speaker 1:They're actually speaking of UFOs. So DJ, my brother's ex-wife, she and Caesar I have the video still saved on my phone of it this is something that's weird, I don't think. And again, it's another great line where it's like they could be, their aliens could exist, but it's not like you know, a green guy with big black eyes comes down and he's like you know, I'm going to probe you, he's some, it's a demon. You know, I'm going to probe you, he's some. It's a demon. And again, because it's playing with us and it's toying with us, because then at that point it's straying us farther away from God at that point. And so DJ and Caesar, her boyfriend, were driving down the road at night and this was like today, and this isn't no like. Oh, did it frank?
Speaker 1:like that it was. It was crystal clear still imaging of they were in the car driving. She zooms in with her phone. There's lights following them perfectly straight and it's not like a plane is, like, you know, whizzing by, like at the airport or whatever, or a helicopter's just hovering, you know kind of thing? Yeah, like, because usually with helicopters their lights are flashing, they're not solid, unless it's you know kind of thing. Yeah, like, because usually with helicopters their lights are flashing, they're not solid.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Unless it's like a searchlight kind of thing, like they're searching for somebody. Same with planes they usually have, like maybe like a light that's like at the bottom of it to indicate hey, I'm a plane.
Speaker 1:And one on top that's hey, I'm a plane, and then they, but they always have one that's flashing. None of these were flashing, and it was like one or two solid lights and it was consistently keeping up with the car. It wasn't like where again, like you have the car and it's like moving at the same speed and then it's like kind of dragging a little bit.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean yeah it's, it was like, like perfect, and then it just went and disappeared and disappeared. And so, unless it was a plane that crashed, which I highly doubt, because you would see an explosion or something like that- yeah, and you said it was close to them it was like yeah, it was close, yeah, they would have felt the crash if it was a plane crash.
Speaker 1:Right, exactly. And so at that point, here's my thing, and I'm not going to say who I know this is or who told me, and if you know, don't say nothing, but I know somebody that used to work for a particular building, that they were. I won't say their job title either, but they also and I know this sounds sketchy as crap, but I'm just just it's protection, it's protection, yeah, so in the event that something does happen, so if you don't see me on the show again, you know what happened stefan dies of a mysterious heart attack.
Speaker 1:Yep with my PS5 controller.
Speaker 2:All right, last one. Yeah, that was the last one.
Speaker 1:We're going to move on. We're going to move on. So they were introduced to a certain room and this room went over certain files that shown military aircraft and the military aircraft resembled and motioned like a ufo. So ufos, more than likely I would say about 99 sure are probably military-based aircraft, because there's no way right now like they're already making androids that can serve people and carry people of over 400 pounds with no problem. Yeah, and it's like you can't tell me we've been laying in the dark for this long and not have any kind of technology that we're not that advanced on. You may be giving the public small bits, like the iPhone. Like oh, here's the iPhone 15. We added a third camera. Here's the iPhone 16. We added a third camera, but you have a button on the side to take a picture of it instead of clicking the app. Like cool, you've shown us that. Like, yeah, that's cool, but there's no way they don't have more advanced technology at that point.
Speaker 1:Than what they're showing us Exactly, because if we had that much power, if the public had that much power, like teleportation or time travel, whatever they're doing- I don't know if time travel is ever going to be possible.
Speaker 2:I here. Here's my only thing, I actually have a joke about time travel, but you didn't like it. What? You'll get it one day oh, back to the future.
Speaker 1:they, um yeah. So I think that it's just more of a military thing and the because we've been known for, like roswell and area 51, of all the ufos and aliens. Like we just relate it to aliens at that point, because what do you think is going to happen if the public or an enemy of the united states or whoever owns these ufos, finds out that we have more advanced aircraft that could take you out in two seconds with no hesitation at all and also defies gravity, because it could stop mid-air, go up down left right side side, underwater, above yeah, but that's why I think that it could be things from the spiritual realm.
Speaker 2:It could be, yeah, and they could just be like lying about it. Whoever this special interest person is, that we know of. Yeah, and because in Ezekiel, the first chapter, actually I'm going to, I'm going to, I have it in here, I'm going to see if I can find exactly what he's talking about. He says wherever the spirit wanted to go, they went, and the wheels rose along with them. For the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels when those went, these went and when those. So he's like describing this wheel thing right and what are ufos shaped like?
Speaker 2:oh, a wheel yeah, I'm just saying like, like he's describing.
Speaker 1:I think he's describing like one of those weird angels with like eyes everywhere but also too, if you really think about it, like how that got brought up in ezekiel. The thing is, too, is even even though there's like how people think that there's no proof of god existing and all this other stuff. Look at noah's ark in turkey. It is there, in the flesh, that biblical happenings happen. It's true, noah's Ark, the Bible is real, but yet again, people are going to still doubt you can also see like if you it's a big wooden boat, like that's what they're just thinking.
Speaker 1:Oh, it's from the ancient times, it's like okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Also, if you look at the world like it looks like all the continents, yeah, can fit. And so when noah's ark happened, not only did it rain, but it also like water gushed from the earth yeah, and then they also proved too it because in the bible it shows like the dimensions of noah's ark yeah and in turkey where it's buried in the mountain.
Speaker 1:They measured it and it's the exact dimensions, exact material that was described in that bible there yeah, that's why I'm saying that, like aliens and all this like it's spiritual weird stuff could be spiritual and it's just like god is giving hint after hint and nobody's listening, and people are still going to deny him.
Speaker 2:Because even back to the noah's ark thing, it's like why is there random artifacts from different civilizations found all across the world? Well, yeah because there was like floating in the water and it could have ended up anywhere right and they even too like.
Speaker 1:So you remember how like we were kind of on a craze for a minute about like the prince of egypt and you know this and you know the scene where uh, moses and god, like he, he says like, take the staff and he splits the sea yeah so, and then, after they get to a certain point, the egyptian army is like chasing after them, and then it closes yeah they found a long time ago, um, relics of basically egyptian like how many soldiers there were and everything like that, like it said in the bible and everything for where this all happens.
Speaker 1:so how did a whole army of Egyptian soldiers with chariots, with no boat, mind you, to be found? So it's not like they were on a warship and then the boat sank and all of them drowned. This was them running through a path and then, as soon as the sea closed, that's when they all perished, right, and there's proof of that in that sea.
Speaker 1:and again, stephan, it's pretty famous, it's the red sea it is I know, but I'm just like it's there yeah, concrete evidence, and nobody's gonna believe still, because they're gonna be like oh, that could just be, you know, cleopatra's army, or something like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So that's just how people are, so and yeah, with the whole UFO thing, like yeah, I think now that you mentioned that because I never heard that verse before, but I think that could describe something of a UFO and it's more of a biblical accuracy to how Noah's Ark is here. Yeah, there's stuff there's no way our feeble minds could comprehend anything like that.
Speaker 1:If somebody had that much of an advanced brain to comprehend making a device that could just breaking the sound barrier 10 times like more than just the speed of sound or the speed of light and just go boop, boop, boop and stop on a dime yeah, and they've also said that it can go into the water and not lose any speed either.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like that's insane.
Speaker 1:So it's obviously working in a dimension that's not of ours and here's what I also have to say too about the time travel thing how you're like, I don't know if we'll ever get to that. So the only thing I can think of with time travel existing and I'm not talking photographs where you can like see like a guy holding up a cell phone during like abraham lincoln's gettysburg address, like I'm talking like so there's this thing, and I forget the area it's in in the world. It's like it starts with a p, it's like perseus or something like that, I think it's called or whatever, but it's a giant, uh, particle accelerator and it's got some stuff in it that I don't know if it's supposed to be like a super weapon or something like that, but it's particle.
Speaker 2:It's got some stuff I don't. I'm not a scientist, I'm not Dr Doofenshmirtz Like perideplantibus, like that Like.
Speaker 1:But it's a particle accelerator and they said something like if it goes off, like something big will happen, like time will stop or something stupid and this is on the earth yeah, this is on the earth.
Speaker 2:It's underneath the city, it's a real thing, and there, and it's a something that humans created like an experiment thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but again I believe that there probably is with. I think at this point it's like with more knowledge, like that, like if you really think like humans can like just have that much brain power without kind of some spiritual influence, then that's not human at all. That's like more of a demonic like kind of thing and that's not human at all. That's like more of a demonic like kind of thing, unless, like again, you can kind of use it in the aspect of like if you're given like brilliance, like it depends, like it's like a whole like villain arc kind of thing or a hero arc, like you're either going to use it for good or you're going to use it for bad. You know that's what God wants us to do, is like that's why he has that Bible for teachings of like how to spread the word of God, how to treat your neighbor like yourself you know, and then so like, if somebody is making this particle accelerator, they could be, you know, use.
Speaker 1:One guy could be like well, we could use it for endless power. And then that way everybody will like well, I want to time travel and change events to where you know like JFK never got assassinated or like I don't know, like the Great Depression never happened, and then alter, and you can alter timelines and stuff like that, where certain events happen.
Speaker 2:So you think that we could get to time travel where we change timelines, not where we go back in time with like a machine gun to the Roman times, Like Terminator?
Speaker 1:like that. No, I think, if anything, it would be where? Yeah, if anything, time travel is definitely going to be used for bad, 100% it's not going to be, because who's going to back and like in time and be like? Don't do that, like in world war ii, like okay, we're going to stop, and I don't know if his name can really be shared on the podcast, but I'm not going to say it just say adolf adolf.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, it was the last name we know the last name, so adolf, and you're just going to either assassinate him right away, before World War II even starts. I don't think anybody's going to do that at that point, because that would definitely alter the timeline for anything.
Speaker 2:Yeah. It's like all the bad things that happen in the world have brought everything to where it is.
Speaker 1:Right. And so it's like what do they call it too? The butterfly effect. If you kill a butterfly in the past, call it to the butterfly effect. If, like, you kill a butterfly in the past, then it affects the future, like that kind of thing. So if you do something stupid in the past and like if somebody were to go back and try to be like, well, I grew up poor, but now that I know time travel, I can change my past and make myself filthy rich, you know, if I give him that like like back to the future, like there's an episode, like I think it's back to the future too where uh, marty goes into the future, he goes in the past and then, uh, there's the almanac yeah and he get.
Speaker 1:And then it stumbles upon biff. And so biff uses that because it's all the cheats of like gambling to like win money. So he becomes successful, like oh, the bears are gonna win the season, so bet fifty thousand dollars. And then he so Biff uses that because it's all the cheats of gambling to win money. So he becomes successful, like oh, the Bears are going to win the season, so bet $50,000. And then he just keeps winning because it's from the future.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So then he goes to the future, tries to get the almanac and he sees that Biff has basically taken over. So it's like, yeah, you could do that, but then that changes everybody else's timeline too, because maybe you weren't meant to be rich. It's just kind of how God has a plan for everybody. I'm not swimming in a river of gold.
Speaker 2:That's why I that's what.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean. I'm not Scrooge McDuck.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's why I don't think that time travel could ever be accomplished, because we can't change what God has already ordained to happen.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's already the all-powerful. So even if it were possible, to where you could go back in time to do that, he's still in control.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:That's just how it is, but I do believe at some point we could probably make time travel to an extent.
Speaker 2:But then again you could also make the argument that he has time travel ordained in his plan too, and he already knows that everybody's going to do with that.
Speaker 1:So that's a pretty crazy thought, but it is too Thought Thought. And again, though, he's got a plan for everything. Right, that's what I'm saying. Eventually, the rapture is going to happen, regardless if people want it to happen or they don't want to talk about it, or whatever. So, even if time travel, even if we get the jetsons future, we have flying cars finally, like we were supposed to have two years ago, because I think the jetsons took place in like 2021 or something stupid like that, I don't know that's crazy that those cartoons were based off in the future.
Speaker 1:And here we are right and so yeah, here we are. It's 20 like again. Relating it back to the back to the future is like they made the delorean with the mr fusion, where, oh, we don't use gasoline anymore, marty, we use recyclable fuels like garbage. And then he throws a banana peel in there and like some paper and then it's like the car's full and it's like we can go back in time now and whatever, and it's like, if only right, that's what I'm saying. How easy would it be to just like pick up a napkin and be like oh well, that's my gas for the next two months.
Speaker 2:I might try it.
Speaker 1:I don't think you're going to get too far, buddy. So yeah, it's one of those things where you may have a plan for that.
Speaker 2:We don't know. Yeah, we don't know.
Speaker 1:Because he again is the all-knowing. So if he does, he's going to. I guarantee you, just let whatever happened happen, because again he ultimately has a plan and then when that day comes for the rapture, then he's going to.
Speaker 1:Again it's like he's giving signs to the world too, even today that he's done, he's tired of their crap yeah, so it could put an end to time travel at that point too, because who's gonna say like if he came down and like like that? And then it's like, oh nope, you know what, real quick, before the whole world ends and the rapture happens. I'm just gonna travel back in time and stop that from happening.
Speaker 1:And it's somehow, if that was even possible, you know what I mean, but then yeah, yeah, it's just, it's just stupid crap like that, um, but yeah, so I guess, aside from because we definitely got lost track of bigfoot there for a second again, um, do we want to talk about some other conspiracy.
Speaker 2:We were on to aliens, oh yeah, aliens, we were down with bigfoot, but yeah, aliens, we kind of Well, we were on to aliens, oh yeah, aliens, we were down with Bigfoot, but yeah, aliens, we kind of touched on that. Here's a fun conspiracy theory. Do you think that this current hurricane was man-made by the government? I think so Because the conspiracy theory is that there can be lithium or something mined in those mountains where the hurricane is hitting and the people, or some people, aren't giving up their land.
Speaker 1:So why then just destroy it and then that way, when you're helping out, you can just collect that lithium? Yeah because, yeah, it's 100%.
Speaker 2:When you look at how much water is there Because it's not like percent when you look at how much water yeah is there like it's not like this hurricane isn't like I know. I know tropical storms are crazy, but they should be that crazy it's not, yeah, it's not right by the ocean.
Speaker 1:It's like pretty in inland right, and that's one thing too I was worried about, because my dad, he he's down in florida right now because he's 72 years old, he's old, so old people like the warmth yeah but it's like you better be careful going down there, dude, because and he said like it's bad down there- even where he's at, yeah, like he said it's bad, like it's.
Speaker 1:It's bad where he's at, but it's not as bad as other parts, and he's it's just like there ain't no way. Because it's the same thing you can kind of look at with Hawaii, where there were pieces of property and again I'm going off like what I remember, but I, at least I'm more confident that this is correct but there were pieces of land in Hawaii that somebody wanted and people weren't giving it up, that somebody wanted and people weren't giving it up. So there were certain properties that were badly damaged and other ones were not touched. From what? From the fire, oh right. And so then that's when Oprah and the Rock decided to come in and be like can you please help us? And it's like you guys got billions of dollars. Don't you dare ask the United States citizens to help out at that point when you celebrities are living the best life possible.
Speaker 2:People eat that stuff up. Yeah, exactly. It's like, yeah, we'll give her money, they don't think that, well, they got crapped on.
Speaker 1:I can tell you that much.
Speaker 2:Yeah Well, people like you and I know that, but there's a ton of people that would give that money and there's nothing wrong with giving well right, but there is to a degree, um, oh, for a prime example, again this hurricane.
Speaker 1:I don't know if you heard recently, but a particular party has offered 750750 to those people.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know, I've heard that.
Speaker 1:But yet we can send billions of dollars to Ukraine. And I'm sorry to say this, but if you got your own problems on your side of the world, deal with it. We right now unless it's like a genocide, like world war ii kind of thing yeah, but if you have problems with your government and you're expecting us to come help you at that point because he took toys or us down, like I'm sorry, I obviously know it's not that stupid of a problem we do not need to be funding these people. We're not helping the american people out, right. So that's where I'm like okay, yeah, no money can be used like for obviously something stupid, but we have to help ourselves before we can help, yeah, other people, and we're already trillions of dollars in debt at this point, but again, for it's just like the whole.
Speaker 1:Um, when covet happened, they gave us that whole. What? What was the type of check? A severance check or something like that? Or stimulus, stimulus check? Like the american people, we were for so long not sure of what was going to happen and then especially here in michigan right, and I'm thinking the first stimulus check of like what was it?
Speaker 1:fifteen hundred dollars, something like that, like to every american citizen. That may have helped out a little bit, but then, when it went down to like 600 and then 400, it was like huh. And then you get to like again ukraine, for example. You're sending billions rebuilding malls, airports.
Speaker 1:We're like a third world country to compare to some of these people yeah, if you look at people who go to europe and I don't mean to get political, but I'm like that's where, when you mentioned money and like the, the hurricane and everything else, I was like, okay, I got to say something about it, because it literally it's something manmade. They're destroying parts because they either find something valuable or because we have our freedom of speech to a degree, they want to take that away. So they're going to say it was of natural causes. As to why this happened, after a debate about well, we want this, oh, you won't give it to us.
Speaker 2:let's create something that will force you to give it to us yeah, do you have any idea of how they would create a big tropical storm?
Speaker 1:I'm sure they got again. It's the whole technology thing yeah you know, they can probably conjure up a tornado too.
Speaker 2:Some of these tornadoes are getting out of hands too.
Speaker 1:There's a lot of water there is but this current hurricane there is, but that is not a natural amount of water. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:It's a crazy amount of water, yeah, and I mean, I know it rains.
Speaker 1:Yeah, dude I'm sorry, thank you you're welcome but yeah, it's an unnatural amount of water, just like some of these tornadoes like too, like they've been obnoxiously huge for no reason. Like I know, tornadoes could get really big and that has to do with like wind, but again, I think part of it could be the government too, because, like there ain't no way that you can have like a tornado the size of Texas, take like at all period.
Speaker 2:It could also be God's judgment on America. There is stuff in the Bible I do know where there will be a lot more hurricanes, earthquakes and tornadoes and other stuff like that when it's getting closer to that time? Right, that's what I'm hinting at too, but I really don't think because he already said there's not going to be another flood yeah so I don't think okay, this hurricane is not nearly as bad as the noah flood no, it's definitely not.
Speaker 1:But what I'm getting at, though, is, like it's, I don't think he would, even if he was just upset with us I don't think he's going to make a giant hurricane come down on one area, or multiple that big, to prove a point, like he would have to do something like again, like the flood or something like that. You never know exactly, you never know. He's got a plan, but I really don't think that he would allow that to happen. You know, I, he, you know it's, it's. It's one of those things, too, where, again, like you brought up the lithium yeah, I'm just making a, because what it was? They discussed it and then, like what? A couple months later, this happened.
Speaker 2:I don't know exactly what happened, and this is just like stuff that I've heard. So who knows if they're actually looking for lithium up there? I'm just saying the amount of water is unnatural.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And the fact that they can probably do something with weather to control it in some ways.
Speaker 1:I don't know exactly how or how much power they actually have in creating these storms, but there's got to be something that they're doing and they also could be definitely helping out the us citizens down there that don't have a home anymore, but instead going to other places.
Speaker 2:They could be helping yeah that's.
Speaker 1:That's the saddest part.
Speaker 2:Yeah, not the, just the destruction is definitely very bad and they're trying to prevent elon musk from going out there with his starlink. Which starlink is like?
Speaker 1:that really great. Like what internet?
Speaker 2:yeah, wi-fi, where you can just like have it on you and be in the middle of nowhere and have wi-fi it's all about control at that point yeah, so they're trying to prevent him from using that, even though it would help people, because nobody knows where anybody is down there. Yeah, because there's no cell service, there's nothing, uh-huh. So there's all these people missing. They don't know how to define them at this point. Are they gone?
Speaker 1:gone forever that's another kind of conspiracy theory too, in a way is like does this government or anybody really want people to be found? You know, like db cooper, the guy that jumped out of that plane with, like what, twenty thousand dollars and then he just disappeared. I think he died. He, he had to have I mean, he's definitely dead now, if anything but he couldn't have just like, oh we, because if they were trying to cover it up they would have been like, oh he's, he died there would be the point of covering it up right, it would be no, what would be the point of covering it?
Speaker 1:yeah, oh yeah, well, yeah exactly. There'd be no point at all, there'd be none.
Speaker 2:So mysterious guy just jumps out of an airplane, the government covers it up for no reason.
Speaker 1:He's just missing. But really they could have offed him. There's that, but what would be the point? That's a mystery. Well, okay, okay, okay. I know the point, I know the point.
Speaker 2:Well, let's, let's get the story of the db cooper, at least the, uh, the summary, because we're not going to do a whole 45 minute episode on db cooper. But right, there, you have a bit of information on it, correct?
Speaker 1:a little bit. Yeah, they. The one thing I will say is the reason why they would probably off him for no reason is cover up, because I still believe, to even this day, there's a conspiracy that the titan submarine was a cover up, because if they knew days, because we spent, like what a week searching for the submarine- yes they knew within like a day or two that the submarine already imploded and everybody died okay.
Speaker 2:Do you want to talk about the titan conspiracy? Or do you want to do the db cooper? I wanted to titan.
Speaker 1:Okay, we'll move on, I know more about the titan incident than I do db cooper. He's just some guy that went parasailing and then just freaking, you know, died or whatever, with twenty thousand dollars in his pocket yeah, so everybody can look it up if you want.
Speaker 2:It's kind of interesting, but it has a pretty boring ending.
Speaker 1:So yeah, and the titan submarine yeah, so the titan submarine I think there was some sort of cover-up with that. So because people were just speculating, like how much oxygen these people had, if like, because the sub lost, but like they lost all communication with it after it hit, like I think it was like the halfway point maybe or or they did reach the titanic but then it just, you know, cut off completely.
Speaker 1:So they were like, well there's, you know, they at least have 96 hours of oxygen. So we're going to keep looking as long as possible. And it made news. First of all, as much of a Titanic enthusiast as I am, nobody talks about Titanic anymore. So if they're trying, why randomly bring up Titanic? You know why bring up the Titan submarine and make it a whole thing for a week and then after that week they're just like gone, like it's not mentioned anymore. Titanic isn't mentioned anymore. The Titan sub's really not mentioned anymore, until like a couple months later when they found the debris and they found human remains.
Speaker 2:Was this last year that it happened?
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was already a year ago.
Speaker 2:Which is crazy? It is crazy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was already a year ago, which is more than crazy ago. It is crazy yeah, it was.
Speaker 2:It was, I think, in june. I think yeah, because I remember we talked about it on the old podcast a little bit when I think it was you, andy, and I yeah, yeah, it was at the old apartment yeah, it was at the old apartment.
Speaker 1:We talked about it, um, and so you already have all the footage and you have the data logs and everything like that, because they were communicating with the titan submarine for the whole descent that they were going down and the last message that they received on their comms was we're all good, and then just nothing. They tried reaching out to the sub supposedly they got nothing, so they lost all communications. Then that's when that stirred up media and they were like well, the Titan submarine has five billionaires in it, including the CEO of Ocean Gate, and they have at least enough oxygen supply If they made it down to the Titanic for 96 hours, enough oxygen supply, you know, if they made it down to the titanic for 96 hours and then, like a day later, they heard like a like in simultaneous, like patterns and stuff like that yeah and that was ultimately the sub imploding.
Speaker 1:That was the echoes from within the water so they knew, and they knew that right, they knew that exactly, didn't say that exactly because, again, if you're trying to, if, if you knew at the point that the sub imploded, then media is over like yep, they died. You know it's a sad and maybe grieve it on the news for a little bit, but you dragged it out and used millions of dollars with US Navy vessels for like five days trying to search for this sub because they only had so much oxygen. And then when it went past that 96 hours, they were like, ok, well, at this point we're probably going to find the submarine intact, but there's going to be corpses in it at this point because they lost all their oxygen.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So, what do you think the media was trying to cover up with this story?
Speaker 1:That's. The only thing I don't know is it could be literally anything it could be like and again relating him back to Titanic. But Robert Ballard, the guy who discovered the wreck in 1985, he was originally cause. Now it's declassified. Now Cause it was a classified thing, he couldn't talk about it, but now it's declassified he was searching for, like I think it was a Russian submarine that had nukes or something in it and they were trying to find it and extract it so they could. Obviously it's got nukes in it or something like that. Yeah, so he used the cover-up of searching for titanic so nobody would find that suspicious. We're going to use the cover-up for at least five days to search for this submarine with five billionaires in it, even though we know after day one or two, whenever it was that it sandwiched and killed everybody.
Speaker 2:So he was trying to search for this sub during this time.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, no. So the submarine obviously was last year. Robert Ballard was using the titanic as a cover-up for the russian submarine back in 1985 okay, so that was back in 1985 yeah. So I'm saying like in the same present, like present day, they may have been searching for something underwater like that, like another submarine from another country or something like that, or even just something going on.
Speaker 2:I don't know, maybe in like the stocks, something like that, yeah, there's also speculation, because bill gates with I don't remember who it was, you know us and our information. We don't know who who was, but they were making meat that was grown in a lab. Yeah, like that doesn't have any nutrition or anything like that. It doesn't have animals in it, but it's like they could like make a steak. It's just weird.
Speaker 1:It's like the. What was it? It was like when SpongeBob and Mr Krabs got that new machine with the great goop that splat down on the conveyor belt and there was like a press and it turned it into a Krabby Patty and they bit into it. It was like gray.
Speaker 2:Yeah, kind of like that.
Speaker 1:So kind of like that with the steak.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because you know Bill Gates is out here telling everybody to eat less meat and be healthy with his big old gut. I don't understand it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's probably eating all the real meat.
Speaker 2:Yeah, why is he telling us how to live?
Speaker 1:It's just like everybody else. It's like Lizzo tells us to like oh yeah, baby, you don't need to exercise, you can be your extra large self and then it's just like all right, cool. So, like, already, half of America is fat anyway. So I mean, why not get the other 50 like going? Yeah, so you have that influence and you're well known, so there's going to be idiots out there that are going to listen to this dude. There are, just like with some other people that like to listen to biden or president harris, or vice president harris, I should say.
Speaker 1:And, um, you know, and there's people that listen to I'm trying to think of like a, a normal celebrity, like Alan Jackson, I guess you could say like a country singer, oh, stuff. Like hey, I love that man, he is great, but you know he he still like talks about God and being in his life and everything like that.
Speaker 1:So there's people that listen to him and that to me is like I would rather listen to Alan Jackson than I would Bill Gates. If Alan Jackson told me that Bill Gates is a liar, I'm going to listen to Alan Jackson before I listen to, even if it was my favorite celebrity you know whether it it's Keanu Reeves or Ryan Reynolds and they were like, nope, bill Gates is telling the truth. It's like no, that ain't happening. But I think that the Titan submarine was 100% a cover-up. Again, they already knew it imploded after a day or two, and then they still dragged on with millions of dollars. For whatever reason. They had to pretend like they had 96 hours of air and then after that we might find corpses, but we'll let you guys know. And then on, I think, the fifth or sixth day, well, it imploded.
Speaker 1:So, with it imploding, there's no bodies oh no, the pressure where Titanic is at is they go by atmospheres of pressure and I think the human can withstand three to four atmospheres. I think is how it works. It's pressure like scuba divers and crap. Yeah, yeah is how it works. It's pressure Like scuba divers and crap, yeah. So you can only withstand so much pressure and the Titanic is like over 250.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:So you're just, you're jelly at that point. So there's no articles of clothing, there's no dental records, there's no hair follicles, there's no organs.
Speaker 2:There's nothing. You're just gel.
Speaker 1:It's really not worth trying to go collect that anyway. Not trying to be mean, but no, and the thing is too. It's the same thing that happened to the passengers on titanic too, when they were inside the ship, like, even though, yeah, they were already filled with water and the bow was filled with water, like their bodies still imploded with that pressure. So then the fish ate everything and whatever. But yeah, with that short time span of because it happens like that, yeah, it's not just like, it happens slow, and then you like that, like they didn't know that this was happening so they died instantly.
Speaker 1:Because I think it said that the human brain it takes 120 milliseconds to for the nerves to like, ow, like I burnt myself yeah but this happened in like 0.5 milliseconds or 50, so it's like it happened before they could even realize that they were in pain I guess that's peaceful way to go yeah, yeah, it's I guess. Yeah, besides the before, when you're freaking out, not knowing what's going to happen, right, because if I, if I was in that submarine and I saw water leaking in and I knew that we were going to die, and then it happened, I I'd still be probably like that would not be peaceful you wouldn't even know.
Speaker 2:No, I would be like whoa the water and then you'd be gone.
Speaker 1:I mean just being realistic, yeah but that that's where I'm at least at on that whole conspiracy of at least the titan submarine. I don't know what exactly the government or whoever was trying to cover up, but I do believe that the titan submarine was 100, had something going on as a cover-up because, again, nobody talked about the titanic I bet the titan sub was made of demons I'm just carbon fiber demons carbon fiber oh, with. Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2:I hadn't really heard of anybody wanting to go down or heard anything about the Titanic, so it's like why was it all of a sudden this new?
Speaker 1:The last time, too, that anybody had heard anything about Titanic was in like 2016. And that was the Australian billionaire who's so far, far still planning on building Titanic two, which is going to be an actual cruise ship which is built one-to-one scale, minus or well. It's an addition of an extra deck with nothing but lifeboats and and so yeah, life boats on the extra deck yeah, life boats on the extra deck and um it just.
Speaker 2:You know, it just happens, man it just did and I didn't catch it, but yeah but that's the last time anybody heard of titanic.
Speaker 1:And so then you fast forward seven years in the future and now, all of a sudden, everybody's obsessed with titanic again, because titanic is one of the most well-known shipwrecks yeah, but I know you want to go down there no, I don't not. After that, look, they're also sending another submarine by the same company, I believe ocean gate but they're making ocean more safe and using. You know, uh, stuff from lowes instead of home depot, you know boo that was.
Speaker 2:That was really funny joke. You should use that for stand up.
Speaker 1:I should, but I like sitting down too much.
Speaker 2:Okay, so you don't want to go down there and more. I remember at one point you did. I did yeah but that's my thing is like it's cool and it's cool that we have the technology to go down there. But I don't understand the point, because all you're going to be doing is looking out this little like window or maybe you have a camera on the outside to look at it, but it's really not like here. It's not like going and hiking a mountain where you're actually like there I'll.
Speaker 1:I'll put it in perspective. You obviously physically can't touch the Titanic, correct? It's a boat that's underwater. But if you're really passionate about something like again, I'm a Titanic enthusiast. I love the ship, I love the architecture, I love everything about the interior, the design, the history, the accident, the sinking, the current, up-to-date which, by the way, a 15-foot section of the front railing fell off and so it's deteriorating at a faster rate now because of the rusticles that are attached to it, eating away at the iron.
Speaker 1:But seeing and knowing the history of that boat and what happened back in 1912, for me personally, if I knew that I was going to go in a submarine that was not going to implode and I'd be able to see it, and not through a tiny little porthole about the size of, like, you know, an okay kind of symbol. You know an okay kind of symbol, but like if I were to see it, like in a big glass dome per se and this you know again, modern day technology I'm able to see everything and go down there and view it. It's like a life-changing experience. It's like when people go, it's because it's like a memorial, it's a, it's a grave site. It's like when you go to ground zero in new york now, where they have the fountain and they have on the um, I think it's, I think it's steel, but you ain't got to risk your life for that. Yeah, I mean for that, for ground zero, you don't have to risk your life.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm saying yeah, but let's just say in a hypothetical situation we're so advanced now in life I'm able to go see titanic without a worry in the world. I can see it. It's a big glass dome. I can see everything under.
Speaker 2:It's perfectly lit up and it's still intact if there was a 100 survival right to do anything, I think anybody would do. I think anybody would do right. So yeah, if, if there's a 100 chance I'm going to survive going down the titanic, nothing can go wrong yeah of course I'd do it yeah, and it's just that.
Speaker 1:That's how I view it is. It's like I like the history and everything about it and being able to see it in person, it's like a different life-changing, because you're you're excited as heck to see this thing and then you remember that 1500 people died on it and it's like, it's almost like. Then you pay homage to it and again I understand it's not the same thing compared to going to ground zero for 9-11 and like just being by the pool and just that. Those are the voices of the people who you know, I guess. I guess that's how they. They pay homage is like the, the water fountain or the water fall is like the voices of the victims yeah um, so that way we never forget.
Speaker 1:And. But it's a different, life-changing experience, for the fact of it's just I don't know, it's just something you're passionate about, you really like it and you're going to enjoy it, even if you go to the appalachian mountains or you go to mcdonald's next door and it's like wow, this mcdonald's and you're just a little single teardrops, you know yeah yeah it's, it's like that's what I think of mcdonald's but that that's how I would view seeing the titanic is.
Speaker 1:It's a life-changing experience that I would love to be able to go to see again with 100 certainty that I would not die every sandwich in the submarine yeah, stephan, I think that's everybody yeah, um, and then I don't know, is there another conspiracy theory you want to talk about? Or am I allowed to talk about my other one, which is another Titanic one? But I figured before we go on to Titanic again, or if we just want to get it done.
Speaker 2:Well, since we're on Titanic, we might as well stay on it. What do you mean? The other Titanic one?
Speaker 1:Oh, so this one. I'm pretty sure everybody has heard this one at this point. So the theory or conspiracy yeah, conspiracy theory of the titanic was the titanic did not actually sink. It was the sister ship, the olympic, that went down and it was for insurance.
Speaker 1:So white star lion, I think that was the name of the company that owned the ship yeah and or the three sister ships, the britannic, the titanic and the olympic, and I I think there was something going on where they were like low on money or something like that. There's a bunch of theories along with this white star liner yeah, white star line yeah white star line so there's a bunch of theories within the theory.
Speaker 1:So the one theory is they were low on money and so they knew that they were going to get a huge payout if something happened to one of their boats, so why not purposely sink a ship? But then the other theory behind it is they had a bunch of competitors, for I think it was JP Morgan, the guy that owns Chase Bank today. Well, who's known for Chase Bank today? Yeah, he had a bunch of competitors that were set sailing on the Titanic. And why not send your competitors on a doomed vessel?
Speaker 1:And before that all happened, so the reason why, goodness so the competitors like big oh up high rich people were supposedly like olympic that sank yeah, like um, I think his name was jacob aster or something like that was one of the passengers and then the guy who made um I'm trying to think of his real name, but he did uh, he's actually the co-founder him and his wife of Macy's that we know today.
Speaker 2:Um, Macy's was around back then.
Speaker 1:Well, I think it. It wasn't as big, but yeah it was um. It was a store where you could exchange clothing and all that other stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because the Titanic and or Olympics sank in 1912, 1914?
Speaker 1:1912. 1912. Yeah and so, but before that though. So what happened ultimately with how they knew the ship was going to be doomed from the beginning? There were two things. Number one, the olympic, or um, yeah, the olympic had a fire in the boiler room, and what happens with heat and iron is it becomes more brittle. Same thing with, like, really icy cold water is the metal becomes brittle and so it's more flexible to where, even if you threw a pebble at it, it could create a dent or a little hole. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so they knew that Titanic was ready and newer, and again, with this insurance that White Star Line wanted for a huge payout, was they knew that the Olympic was badly damaged and so it would be cheaper to use a used boat, essentially for setting sail, than it would be to use the new boat, and that was probably more reinforced, with better rivets or anything like that, to hold the iron in. So what they did is they painted over where it said olympic with titanic for the name, and then they switched the titanic with uh, or they switched the olympic then with titanic. At that point, so switch two ships and then the boiler um, I believed the fire was on the port side, which is the left, the sailor term. So you got bow, stern, which is front, back, and you got port and they, uh, starboard so starboard is right, port is left.
Speaker 1:Um, and it was on the, I believe, the uh starboard side. Actually, yeah, it was the starboard side. Actually, yeah, it was the starboard side. So instead of the boat traditionally facing the starboard side for loading up passengers, they switched it. So it was actually on. They were loading passengers on the left side of the boat because they wanted to cover up the fire burn that was on the side of the boat, which ultimately again doomed the ship because the metal was so brittle from that fire and then also with the icy waters of the North Atlantic at that night on 1912, um, that when the iceberg hit it just created a 300 foot gash on the side of the bow and then just that's how it sank.
Speaker 2:Now, how do they allegedly find out that this is actually the olympic?
Speaker 1:there is supposedly images online that I've even seen, but again, with today's technology, I don't know if they could be altered with photoshop and made really good well, they most certainly can yeah, yeah, you can make anything look realistic, especially, especially with AI too.
Speaker 2:now, yeah, Like it's crazy.
Speaker 1:And so there's some photos of the bow section, because that has the most legible handwriting of where they wrote Titanic, and the paint is still somewhat there, but not as much anymore. But you can see in some of these pictures from earlier years when they went down for expeditions, that they had where you could see an O and a Y, and obviously Titanic does not have an O or Y in it, correct. And same thing with the stern, because on the back of the stern, at least where it's legible, they have Titanic, liverpool on the back and you can see an O and a Y and an L and that's pretty much where that's at. So it's like, okay, this is seeming to be a little bit more of towards you switch the boats because insurance, and then also again with the whole JP Morgan where there are certain competitors that oh yeah, come on our ship, it's all good. And then they ended up killing 1,500 people in the process.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And John Jacob Astor, that's what his name was. John Jacob Astor in the process. Yeah, and john jacob astor, that's what his name was. John jacob astor, um, I, and again I don't know if he's the one that died or if he's the the inventor. Oh, no, bruce ismay is the one who, uh, helped, uh, with the, the uh commercial side, I guess, or the, the idea of titanic. Um, so, john jacob ast, I believe he died On the boat, but he was one of the competitors Of JP Morgan and JP Morgan, conveniently, if I remember this correctly, canceled his ticket last second. So if you already know that the boat is doomed and you're sending your competitors on that, the ship of dreams, there you go.
Speaker 2:No more competition or it all adds up.
Speaker 1:Yup, exactly. And then, um, I forget the other conspiracy theory too. It's nothing like they they switched or whatever. But there's some other conspiracy about Titanic. Where it it? Oh yeah, that's what it was. It wasn't an iceberg that sank it, it was like a submarine.
Speaker 1:But yeah, I don't think submarines were invented back then in 1912 if they weren't, it was getting close because submarines were in world war one yeah, so they were getting close, but even at that, night time if a submarine was under the water and shot at the titanic, I don't think it would have survived like long, especially under like how cold it was, because it was 28 degrees fahrenheit yeah, and we that's cold yeah we don't even know for sure what kind of technology people have had for however long.
Speaker 1:Exactly so. Yeah, because back then they could have had stuff that we probably not like what we have today, like an iPhone, but they probably had something that was like close to where they could have done something to the boat that made it purposely steer towards an iceberg.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like the cabin has no control or whatever Right or something like that. Yeah, I bet they.
Speaker 1:And plus, too, it's like you're basing your turning and your whole mechanisms on steam. Because it was all cold power back then, because steam liners were like the big thing back then, because you were done with sailboats and stuff like that as your modern day cruise ship, and now you're on to steam powered. Yeah, revolutionary at the time. So, and fun fact, titanic only had three working funnels. The fourth one was just there for decoration. It was there just to vent out the uh and other stuff from the smoking rooms and stuff on board.
Speaker 2:And the kitchen.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and also too, it was there mainly, too, to make it look more powerful, Because most steamboats only had three, and so they wanted their ships to look bigger and more muscular, tougher, so why not add a fourth smokestack?
Speaker 2:Yeah, why not add a fifth one?
Speaker 1:Yeah or a sixth. Imagine, it's just like a 3,000-foot ship with like 12 smokestacks.
Speaker 2:Stefan 3,000-foot ship. How far along was Titanic? You don't even know.
Speaker 1:I don't know as much of a Titanic enthusiast I know it was three football fields long. It was over three football fields long.
Speaker 2:So about 900 plus feet, that's a big boat.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it is, but the icon of the sea is really huge too. Hold on Titanic.
Speaker 1:We're going to need a bigger boat 883 feet, that's how long it was, so almost three football fields, yeah icon of just shy seas length, that one okay, so that one's 1196, so almost 1200 feet, and that's the biggest ship, uh, right now on the seas made by man, so that thing can fit over is there any ships on the sea that aren't made by man? Ufo ships. Yeah, I'm sure they probably they probably oh you almost caught me off with that one. I was like oh crap, I don't have anything for this, All right. So what is your conspiracy that you want to talk?
Speaker 2:about the moon landing.
Speaker 1:Tell us more. The viewers would love to know.
Speaker 2:Well, I lean more towards on the side that the moon landing was not real.
Speaker 1:And why do you think that Dramatic pause?
Speaker 2:Because we've only been there one time, yep, and all of the footage looks like it could be faked. There's no wind on the moon. Why is the flag waving? That's true, but my biggest? There's no wind on the moon, why?
Speaker 1:is the flag waving.
Speaker 2:That's true but my biggest, my the it's not even really the footage, like I don't know. They could easily you could easily fake any footage. But the biggest thing is, why did we only go there once? We've never gone back, and now we have a space station where the astronauts are stuck in there. I think they may have gotten out.
Speaker 1:I think they got out now yeah.
Speaker 2:But they were stuck up there for however long, and they can only bring like food and stuff up to them and we can't go to the moon again. Right, like that's how bad our technology is is that astronauts are getting stuck in space stations. So it seems like our technology has gotten worse and it seems like it was only done to scare the russians during the cold war I, I can agree with that.
Speaker 1:Um yeah, because it was all about power and who got to what first yes, exactly and so, yeah, if america got on the moon first, then oh, shoot now. What you? Now, what are you going to do? Russia, you know what I mean, right?
Speaker 2:If you're in a Cold War, with people threatening each other, and all of a sudden, one of you is able to go to the moon. It's like man if they have that technology, well, what else do they?
Speaker 1:have. Well, it's even the same thing too with like. So how you're saying like fake footage and stuff. So I think it was when they were testing the first nuclear bomb, or I think it might have been during the Cold War or something like that. They have footage of like the nuke going off. This is the funny part. You can tell this is a huge conspiracy theory too, because, again, I think it ties in with the whole moon landing and the Cold War. It better.
Speaker 2:You keep getting all about that.
Speaker 1:No, I'm sorry. It triggers something in my head where it's like okay no, it's all funny so and so there, the bomb goes off yeah and you see a house like so, for one when a nuke goes off, you cannot record that unless you are miles upon miles away, first of all. Second of all, if you even think you're gonna get close to that without any kind of radiation or death, you're not. You're gonna die or get severe radiation poisoning to the point of death.
Speaker 1:So either way you're dead yeah they have in the footage, somebody that's really close to a house now sounds normal. So the nuke's going off, the house is right there. Like you could like look up and there's the house right there in front of you. The nuke blasts away at the house, but before you see the nuke demolish the house, house. But before you see the nuke demolish the house randomly, a car just kind of into existence, like in the garage, like the garage door was closed, and then all of a sudden the car disappears. No, the car is just in existence, like it was not there before, the garage door was closed or whatever. And then it's just the cars there right before the nuke goes off and then it demolishes the house because it's showing the destruction of a nuke. The film would not be able to survive a nuclear blast for one. Obviously the person would not be that's filming. It would not be able to.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:And then they had like other pieces of like stuff that looked like trees and stuff like that that looked fake. But the house was the most convincing one to be like. This is fake, like 100, because no one would be able to get that close to a nuclear blast and live to be able to record it. So then they showed that off to I believe it was the russians during the cold war and they're like america's got like bombs, dude, like so you're saying the car?
Speaker 2:I'm a little confused with the car.
Speaker 1:So the car is there. Pretend this is the house yes story time children show and tell. So this is the house for audio listeners.
Speaker 2:He's showing us an arizona can with with a nappy kid with a microfiber glasses cleaner yeah, cloth.
Speaker 1:So the, the bomb's going off, and right before it touches, before you see, like the impact of the destruction of the house yeah there's no car there, right yeah this is the car. It just appears out of nowhere before the bomb before the bomb hits it like. The bomb is like right here, within inches from the house yeah no car is in sight. And then, right as it makes contact with the house, you just see a car randomly appear.
Speaker 2:And then, once the impact happens, the car is gone.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Quote unquote gone Quote unquote gone.
Speaker 1:So that's where I'm thinking like, yeah, they probably faked it because, again, it was during the Cold War.
Speaker 2:So what makes it more sense? How could they mess that up with that such bad editing?
Speaker 1:Well, back then you can't do't do like what you can now, where you can make like ai, look like something's actually on fire, like you were very limited on technology back then, so basically anything on tv. It's kind of like the twilight zone, you know, where they like kind of make stories like where it seems like legit and then it's like but it's not, it's in in the Twilight Zone, right.
Speaker 2:But I'm saying like, why couldn't they have the car sitting there before the blast hits the house and then just edit it out? Why do they like, have the blast coming in, there's no car, it just like, appears for a second and then disappears.
Speaker 1:So to the naked eye, especially how you couldn't just rewind stuff back then either.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:To the naked eye. You're just going to see a nuke go off and it's just going to demolish the house.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And nobody is perfect when it comes to camera. I don't know if choreography is the word for it, but like camera control for motion pictures.
Speaker 2:So okay, rewinding back choreographies for dancing. I don't know what the correct term is that you're looking for, but I know what you're talking about yeah, so like the like, the placement of things in a movie so and again rewinding back to, as an example, in james cameron's titanic.
Speaker 1:There's scene and they had a lot of movie mistakes and stuff like that in there that you wouldn't catch because everything's happening so quick but there's a scene where it's when Jack is entering, he's in the tuxedo like he's going down to the dining hall because he just saved Rose from falling off the stern of the boat and you can see the camera guy in the reflection of the glass and it's like, okay, we're back in 1912 and you can see a reflection of a modern day guy with a camera, jeans, levi's and like nikes okay, so your point is mistakes happen mistakes happen.
Speaker 1:And so with that they were probably like, oh crap, phil, we gotta put a car right there. And then just they put a car right there, yeah. And so if, if you were a russian dude and you saw that and you were like, oh man, the united states isn't like kidding around, like they're literally like powerful. Same thing with the moon landing, you know, they're not going to know what gravity is like at that point. If they, the Russians, were just getting ready to land on the moon or get ready to go up to the moon, but we somehow beat them to it, they're not going to know that.
Speaker 1:There's not wind or there's not zero gravity at that point. So they're like holy crap, they did what we were just about to do or couldn't do right now. So yeah, I can. I can now see more of your understanding where it's like there ain't no way that that moon landing was real at that point yeah, because I just don't.
Speaker 2:I I don't understand why we haven't gone back. Because you think that would be more expeditions and more expeditions and it'd be amazing to go up there, but we just haven't done it. Because you think there would be more expeditions and more expeditions and it'd be amazing to go up there, but we just haven't done it.
Speaker 1:Again, we can't figure out the technology exactly you don't even talk about spending money right like yeah, there's plenty of people that, like they, there's money laying around like you can do it. And nasa's still doing stuff to this day, even though they're not as, like I guess, big compared to what they used to be. Like if you heard like a space shuttle was going to taco bell, you would hear about it.
Speaker 1:But nowadays space station going to taco bell yeah but, like nowadays, it's like you rarely hear anything, if at all, about nasa anymore. So it's like, yeah, you, you have billions upon billions of dollars because it's all in the United States research facility that you're going to be exploring planetary like objects and expeditions, that you're going to go on, you have the money and resources to do it, and you're telling me you're just done. No, you're not done. Something's up, and I think they are secretly in a way. They're just not. So here's the thing too is, even with that conspiracy theory is, if people find out like NASA's like back doing stuff, you know there's ways of like taking people out from it, not getting exploited to media.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, Believe me, I know.
Speaker 1:Right. So it's like you could. You would think like maybe we are visiting the moon. I believe we still are. They're just saying we're not because they're like, oh well, I guess we're done with space lab research and then they might know something that we don't know. So because they don't want to cause like a worldwide panic or something stupid like that, you know whatever. And then some guy on his uh iphone 16 is recording a space shuttle launching and then it's like, okay, well, we don't want you to see that, so we're just gonna take you out. So there's, yeah, there's, there's ways and stuff of making sure people keep quiet, whether it's being threatened with death or money or whatever, because the government did the same thing with the guy with the water car.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he made a car that he could drive from New York to California on like what? One tank, or he could drive both ways back on one tank with just water vapor. And then somebody found out about it and then he mysteriously died and then the car mysteriously was taken away. Yeah, yeah, there's something that they just because think about it too. Even that perspective of that is if you have something that they just because think about it too. Even in that perspective that is, if you have something that's going to last a long time, where you don't need to fill it or pay for it, it's just basically free water vapor that goes back into the clouds and then rains back down. It's just a recycle of just resources.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:We have gasoline. It's almost $4 a gallon here in michigan. You're not in control at that point. It's all free. But as it says in there, money is the root of all evil money is the root of all kinds of evil.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so yeah, yeah, at that point. Yeah, because money you can use it for good, for sure it's not like all evil, but because money you can use it for good, for sure it's not like all evil, but yeah, it's mostly you can use it for evil. And so, yeah, why are you going to build a one-time reliable water car that all you have to do is go to your toilet and fill it with water from there and then just be able to drive around you?
Speaker 2:know what I mean. Yeah, I know drive. You know what I?
Speaker 1:mean, yeah, I know, and, but then you're paying four dollars a gallon. So these oil companies and people are just making money off four dollars a gallon, or ten dollars a gallon, however much they're charging in different states or different countries. You know, it's all about power and money. At that point, nothing is wanting to be free or help the greater good.
Speaker 2:Right, it all has to be.
Speaker 1:Exactly Money.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:So that's where I can totally agree with your whole thing about there's cover-ups for stuff, easy and just to be all powerful. At that point, to prove a point, oh, we're better than you. We landed on the moon first. Now you were at studio 28. That's where you were at man, studio 28 that's crazy yeah, but yeah.
Speaker 1:So I I agree with you now, because I used to kind of go both ways where it's like, oh no, it could be real. I mean, I haven't personally been to the moon, but at the same time yeah me neither. Yeah, but at the same time, though, it's kind of like I don't think If space is this like null place where it's like nothing, like there's no air current, there's no oxygen, I really do wonder why God created the universe, probably.
Speaker 2:What are the point of all these other planets and galaxies?
Speaker 1:well, here's the other thing too. Here's, here's my, here's my thing. Right, so they can make a satellite telescope thing that takes pictures of, like you, like, universes and galaxies trillions of light years away from our planet, but yet my home wi-fi doesn't work. If I'm outside of my window, you can't tell me, you can't make something better for us at that point. Come on, I.
Speaker 1:That's where I'm like at this point, like I can probably think our universe is not as big as what they're making it out to be. Because if again, relating it back to what I just said about wi-fi and a satellite how do you have that much range to go light years away into other galaxies and still get perfect 4k resolution photos of the milky way galaxy and all this other crap in another like milky way 2.0, like, again, light years away, but yet my playstation 5 crashes when I'm trying to play fortnite because I'm downstairs in a basement, like something's up. At that point I don't think it's as big as they're making it out to be and they're lying about some stuff because there's no way that they have that much of a range connection from one itty-bitty planet in this giant universe to see other places like that, you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I know what you're saying, but it is getting late. It's already 11, 15, it's a quarter after one, unless you have any uh, anything else that's stimulating conversation, because I am about to fall asleep yeah, same here too um a little bit well, hold on, hold on, hold on, oh, but wait there's more, but wait there's more.
Speaker 1:um, the last kind of thing I guess I would just it's like a small conspiracy is the I would think, the Bermuda triangle in a way.
Speaker 2:Oh man, Well, like we should save this for a full episode where I have more energy, cause it'd be more fun to go into a deep dive of the Bermuda triangle. Yeah, cause that, that I actually do research and we can talk about one thing for the whole time. I think that'd be cool, cause I think, and we can talk about one thing for the whole time.
Speaker 1:I think that'd be cool. Yeah, because I think you could probably talk more about the moon landing at that point, Like I can talk about Titanic. I could talk about Titanic for an entire episode.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we know we could even do a Titanic episode, but right now I got to go to bed.
Speaker 1:All right, same here, folks. Thank you for joining us.
Speaker 2:Yeah, thanks for listening. Don't forget to fact check everything that you heard today.
Speaker 1:Yep and prove us wrong or right or right.
Speaker 2:And have a blessed week. Thanks, bye, bye.