Unhinged Christian
Welcome to Unhinged Christian Podcast, where we dive deep into the stories and perspectives that challenge conventional religious thought. Join me, Caleb Parker, your host and fellow seeker, as we embark on a journey to explore spirituality, faith, and humanity from a refreshingly open-minded perspective.
In each episode, I sit down with guests from diverse backgrounds and walks of life. From artists to activists, scientists to philosophers, we engage in candid conversations that transcend the boundaries of traditional Christian discourse. Together, we unravel the complexities of belief, doubt, and the human experience in the context of modern society.
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Unhinged Christian
019: Navigating the Hilarious and Holy in Church Ministry and Music. With Elijah Deklyen
Elijah and I take you through the ins and outs of church ministry, and let me tell you, it's not your average Sunday service chat. We kick things off by swapping stories about the often-humorous trials of leading worship and the intricate dance of church leadership roles. Remember the time Elijah's bass playing was so avant-garde it got muted during a live performance? We do, and we're dishing out all the details, along with some heartfelt reflections on the joys of collaboration and the journeys our music has taken us on.
Strap in as we pull back the curtain on the songwriting process—at times a comedy of errors with duct-taped headphones and at others, a stroke of genius when a casual suggestion morphs into a track like "Blinded by the Eclipse". From the discerning ears of musicians to the balancing act of juggling jobs, podcasting, and church commitments, we cover it all. Our shared experiences reveal not only the cultural nuances of various church practices but also the growth that comes from grinding it out in the trades and the impact it has on our content creation efforts.
Finally, we wade into the deeper waters of faith-based integrity, tithing, and the raw realities of missionary work. It's not all seriousness though; we'll whisk you away with tales from the roommate trenches and the unexpected blessings they can bring. And in case you were wondering about the challenges of interviewing a coworker versus a ministry bigwig, we've got the scoop on that, too. So, come for the laughs and stay for the insights as Elijah and I tackle the multifaceted world of church ministry, music, and life in between.
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Speaker 2:Oh, you better fix that, you better fix that I should probably get a pop filter.
Speaker 1:See, that's better. I like that. I don't feel like you're so far away anymore. How do the headphones sound? I can't hear anything. You can't hear anything, mm-mm.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's because they're down.
Speaker 1:Check, check, check, check, check. It could be louder.
Speaker 2:I'm turning it up, turning it up.
Speaker 1:Turning it up, that's good, all right, I could probably turn down the hair actually everybody likes theirs quiet, I love mine loud check, check, check. What kind of throws me off a little bit like it doesn't feel, like it feels like you're right here. That's what it's supposed to feel.
Speaker 2:It's supposed to be intimate, be intimate, yeah, intimate friendships. By far my most attractive guest so far on this podcast, really yes.
Speaker 1:That means a lot coming from you, because I think you're very attractive Really. Yeah, we kind of have this healthy friendship where we both think we're attractive, but it's in a healthy way.
Speaker 2:Still very straight.
Speaker 1:Yeah, still very straight. I'm married, so To a woman. Thanks for clarifying that.
Speaker 2:Which is good. Yes, so since it's your first time on here, just give everybody a little bit of who you are and what you do.
Speaker 1:I am Caleb's friend and I do hanging out with and I'm kidding Me and you have been friends, for we met in the worship team. I, uh, my name's Elijah, for those who don't know.
Speaker 2:Um, I forgot to say your name, yeah.
Speaker 1:Thanks for introducing me. You're killing it right off bat. Yep, it's my profession, but I I work at res life and I am the youth worship. My title is facilitator, but but I feel like I'm more of a coordinator, but I pretty much just make sure that there's worship in the youth and I do anything related to that, like schedules. I actually lead the worship, do all the trips, plan the camping trips and anything in between, like ministry and discipleship and things like that for our volunteers and students.
Speaker 2:The actual title isn't worship leader no, it's youth worship facilitator, which.
Speaker 1:Well, that still makes sense, then, because you're not?
Speaker 2:always on the platform yeah right, you're like doing stuff in the office yeah, I I told mckenzie that I was.
Speaker 1:I feel like our job description should be youth or hers would be access, but like director, it's like you're literally making it all happen. But then she was like I just I feel like that's way too serious, like I feel like we're not that high up, so, director, it wouldn't be the move. Wow.
Speaker 2:That's kind of a put down.
Speaker 1:No, I mean technically, not because she's in this. We're like at the same exact level of because she does access out of youth and then Landon's kind of our manager in a way. Think about it If you're going based off of like worldly job descriptions and then, and then, like David, is like a manager of managers, of managers.
Speaker 2:So like the Pope, yeah, would be like the church, church lingo. So then Landon would be.
Speaker 1:He'd be a manager of managers. Apostle, yeah Well, you said like worldly.
Speaker 2:Oh, because in church.
Speaker 1:You don't use the word. At least I've never been in ministry and had someone be a manager.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's true. I've never heard that title. I wonder why that is.
Speaker 1:I'm sure it, just I don't know why. Actually I couldn't even tell you my guess. I, I like it, I like their descriptions, they're fine yeah, no, I'm not mad at them.
Speaker 2:I was just curious as to why they, why they choose and it's not just res, it's everybody yeah, we miss.
Speaker 1:We, me and landon, talk about how much we miss you all the time oh, that's so special yeah you're such a good bass player I like that you came and visited that one time. That was kind of cool for the bass seminar. I forgot about that. I was referring to the night of worship, but that was cool too. That was cool. I was like it's nice surprise. I didn't even know.
Speaker 2:You didn't know I was coming. Adam invited me was it worth it yeah he's like I mean, it was stuff that you already knew. Yeah, it was stuff that I knew. But I don't want to ever put myself in a place where you know it all.
Speaker 1:Yeah, always be a student always be a student yeah that makes sense. Yep yeah, I went to a little bit of that. It was cool, but I'm just not super. I didn't go. I'm not interested in learning base, but I was kind of interested in knowing kind of the functions to a degree I wonder how someone can say you're not interested in learning bass.
Speaker 2:I can't believe. You just said that out loud no, I said I'm not no, I know, I know I'm saying I can't believe anybody would ever say that dude, I have trauma with bass seriously, I have trauma. Yeah, it's not real trauma, but it's like.
Speaker 1:It's like funny trauma, but it's actually I feel like it's are you talking about that slap story? Like it's not real trauma, but it's like funny trauma, but it's actually, I feel like it's actually oh, you're talking about that slap story.
Speaker 1:It's actually somewhat true. No, that's, I mean that kind of plays into it maybe. But I've been on the worship team at RESS since I was like 11 years old, which I think the age now is like you got to be 14, but I got on that team young they always let people on, they're young. We were pretty like straight, strict about it now. But okay, did you ever meet patrick conigini?
Speaker 2:maybe you were like right when he was leaving I years ago, before I started on the res worship team, I was actually going to join it. This was had to have been when I was either in high school or maybe even in eighth grade. So I actually did meet him and I went to res when he was the worship leader. But then when I officially joined, he was gone.
Speaker 1:Okay, well, this is my base, my base story, why I was like I don't like playing bass because I'm a guitar player. I started out being a guitar player and one day he was just like, hey, eli, you, you, you know how to play bass. And I was like, no, he's like you want to learn. I was like, oh, sure, yeah. And so he like taught me and he's like, oh, you're good, you want to be on the schedule for bass. And I'm not kidding, I never played guitar, ever again. I played bass for the next four years and I did not like it. But I was too young to be like. I just kind of like, okay, whatever, like I just want to be on the team oh the, the trauma was that you had to keep playing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I didn't want to, and I was too. I like you know, at that age, not a lot of young students are in the mindset of speaking up, or you're just like whatever. Like I'm on a team, like I just want to be a part of it, yeah, and I just I did not like playing bass and I was. I don't want to say I was forced, I I wasn't forced to, but I just, as a kid, just like this is what I'm, this is all I get to do. Like this is this, is it's this or nothing. So I just did that.
Speaker 2:I will say that when you're young and you're on a worship team playing bass, it can be incredibly boring.
Speaker 1:Well, I just want to be heard too, like I wasn when you're like 14, you're not like playing, I'm not speaking, I'm just speaking for myself. I guess maybe everybody's not like this at 14, but I was just like. I want to be heard, I want to be on stage, I want people to like see me.
Speaker 2:And bass is the last instrument for that.
Speaker 1:Well, that's where you had mentioned the slap story. I was like I didn't even know how to slap. I just thought he just smacked the crap out of the string and like that slapping and I just that's bam, bam, bam. Just like it's so funny to think about now because it's probably sounded so bad. But I ended up not being able to hear myself in my ears. I'm like what the heck? And then I talked to the guy at the time who was doing sound and I was like hey, did you turn me off? He's like yeah, you're smacking the bass so hard. It was just clip, clip, clip. You know clipping for those. You don't know what clipping is. It's where it goes past the limiter of what it can process and it just distorts like ridiculously you must have been hitting it really bad then bro, how do you was?
Speaker 1:I remember, I remember like it's yesterday, bro, I was just like I was actually, like you know, slapping you. She's kind of like give it a little.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's just, there is the wrist movement.
Speaker 1:I was picking my hand off and just like smacking it on arrow. Yeah, it's pretty bad.
Speaker 2:I remember John was trying to show me how to slap once and I was like dude, you are doing it so wrong he was. He was almost doing that same thing that you were doing and he was using his pinky to pluck it?
Speaker 1:Did you hear, okay, speaking of John, did you hear his new mixes?
Speaker 2:Yes, I'm geeked on them bro.
Speaker 1:They're so good. Which ones did he show you? He sent me, me and John. Always send our music back and forth to each other, but the most recent ones was Wait, the Landon mix of Wait, yeah, wait.
Speaker 2:I want to hear that one.
Speaker 1:I didn't get to hear that one sounds good, really good, and uh um, blinded by the eclipse. I love that vocal mix. Did he send you that one at least?
Speaker 2:yes, he sent me that one. That one sounds good, sounds sick. I was happy with it and I was actually using my.
Speaker 1:I think they're broke, obviously I said what did you do? I sat on these. You got mad, didn't? You don't want to admit to everyone that you get pissed and break your headphones yeah, and I was mad, so I sat on them.
Speaker 2:I didn't say if it was an accident, I purposely said that's, that's an that's a questionable way to break your headphones. Yeah, so I actually was able to say if you do this, you can, you be careful, you can put them around yours I was thinking about doing duct tape no, because it wouldn't look cool you have super glue somewhere bro, I'm not doing it right now. Yeah, yeah, no worries anyway, I was listening to them on the beats headphones and I they sounded. They sounded really good, blinded by the eclipse.
Speaker 1:What's funny about that is that song was actually my idea what like the oh, like the idea of the song, like, hey, you should make a song about being blinded by the eclipse.
Speaker 2:That's exactly what I told him, and then john was like he, he's dope, he's, he's that.
Speaker 1:He's that type of guy where he was like bet, he'd probably even tell you, but he's like, oh yeah, that'd be cool. And then he sends you a song like and then there was in a couple hours I was I was falling asleep. I love that. That's. That's a great story. He needs to. If he, when he markets that song, he needs to share that story because that's hilarious well.
Speaker 2:I was falling asleep and I was reading. Next and the next, I bet I had a candle and I was like man, if I fell asleep and this candle was on all night it would burn this place down and I would die. And then I thought of death by candlelight and then, for some reason, I was like hey, john, you should write a song called death by candle, not a candlelight, but make it about being blinded by the eclipse.
Speaker 1:That's funny. That's a good song.
Speaker 2:That's a funny name. And then a couple of days later I get this song. He's like here it is and you got the Landon mix now just a couple days ago.
Speaker 1:Okay, fire.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it does sound good.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I gave Landon some ideas that I had for it, but I was like, if John doesn't want it, don't use it, but I'm excited for his music to come. Even me and Landon were talking about it and I was like, at least Landon, I was giving him props for his new mixes and he was talking about how he's like. And he was talking about how he's like, yeah, I don't. Even the last mix I did for John he's like. Those are all right, but I don't even consider those like good anymore, cause he he feels like he's learned so much just in the past like three to four months that he like, he's like significantly better in his, in his opinion and in my opinion, I think. I think there's a big difference. Did you notice the difference from like blinded by the eclipse compared to like, his last album? Yes, it's dude, it's like. Actually a huge difference. The bass is nice and crisp. The vocals are like h, super hd, like super nice. We're just gasping.
Speaker 2:You better watch this I'd have to re-listen because, honestly, when I when he sends me the mix, the only thing I'm listening for is the bass and, like, everything sounds good, like if something sounds bad, if the vocals sounded bad, I would notice it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but I didn't notice why the vocals were good I'm listening for everything, like I'm listening, I'm literally listening for everything. How present are the guitars? How present the bass? How good does the vocal sound?
Speaker 2:where the drum grooves like that's, I listen for all of it I wish I had that, but it's like my ears just want to hear everything about the bass, Like are my fills correct? Do they sound good? Does the mix of it sound good?
Speaker 1:That's crazy.
Speaker 2:I know it's kind of annoying because I'd be missing out on 80% of the song. Well, to me, bass is 100% of the song. You know how it be.
Speaker 1:No, I don't. I'm a guitar player and a vocalist and I don't just listen for vocals and guitar. Well, you should just try sometime. No, that's just yeah. I just say I gotta listen for all of it. That's just naturally what comes to me, especially like I'm no, I'm no mixing engineer, but I make my demos like I'll make before I send it to my engineer, I'll make a demo of the song. That's kind of like a rough idea and I like try to make it sound the best that I can. So I naturally just look for everything.
Speaker 1:So you really just can hear all everything all together and say, yeah, that sounds good it's a mix of that, but also picking apart each thing like individually, like okay, oh, the bass is nice, and okay, move on in my head, the drums. Oh, that's really nice, okay, move on. Okay, the guitar. And then I'll think like, for instance, blended by the eclipse. I was listening to the guitars and I was like, oh, I like the verse. And then the chorus came in and I was listening to everything. But then I was like this could use some like chunking guitars. I'll even think of what I would add myself into it. So so I told Landon I was like you should bring this up, john, but I was like I just picture like chunking guitars in the chorus and then like, maybe like some like small guitar fills to add color, like I also think of what I would also add into songs too.
Speaker 1:Did John say yes to those? I haven't even talked about it with him. I don't. I don't know. I would tell him. I haven't asked him. No, I haven't said anything. I don't usually like to give people feedback right away, in a sense of like I don't want someone to send me a song and instantly I'd tell them what they should add to it.
Speaker 2:It feels kind of weird. Yeah, I can see that's kind of annoying I usually or would be annoying.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'll usually like, because I love the song, I'm sure there's things that add to it when he sends him like this is sick. So I like was just telling him how sick I thought it was, because I thought it was really dope, and I was just also gassing up landon to john I was like, oh bro, like landon's mixes are getting so good, this song is really good. And then you know, maybe because he's not gonna put oh, maybe he will put the song. He is the type of guy that'll put the song out right away. But usually if I, if I really feel like a song could do something, I'll let him know like a week later. If I see I see John pretty frequently I want to know what goes on in his brain, like with making music. Yeah, he just cranks out songs.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's getting really good at he's getting really good all around. They're really catchy and fun and they're like they're simple, but they're catchy and fun.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, dude I'm. I think specifically in the past, like six months to seven months, he's like just like a land in the mixing has gotten, like he's leveled up. I feel like John has leveled up in his songwriting and like his catchy melodies.
Speaker 2:Yeah, me too, Cause I mean, I've been with him for since 2019, I've been recording music with him.
Speaker 1:I would say his melodies have always been pretty solid, but he's really getting better at writing lyrics I would say, even musically too.
Speaker 2:His guitar, his lines are more catchy. Yeah, his like the guitar is a lot more catchy. It's not just he used to, would just be like chord progression. Yeah, it'd be like chunking or strumming and it'd be either fast or slow tempo, but that would be really all that he would do.
Speaker 1:And now there's actual lines in there john, remember me when you're famous me too, dude. I was telling john, I was like we're just we're on a john rant right now he's the topic of conversation. It's okay, we'll go with the flow. But, um, I was telling john that, uh, that I can tell that he's inspired by hot mulligan with his song titles, his, his new song, 45 millimeters and dog years 45 millimeters long and dog.
Speaker 1:So I asked him. I was like I love the song, I love the mix, but I was like, so like what? What inspired this name? Because it obviously has nothing to do with.
Speaker 1:It's like a breakup song yeah and he was like, oh, he, he said that it's a, it's a dog joke, uh, uh, you know what it's? Okay, he said it's a dog pp joke and I was like, and I just told him I was like I love this song. I was like I can tell that you listen to a lot of hot mulligans, if you, if anyone is familiar with hot mulligan, if you are. If you look at their album, it's like really random titles. I think one of them is like john cena, like something. Can you see me? And it's like a love song by hot mulligan. Yeah, and all their like track titles had nothing to do with the song. Is hot mulligan a michigan thing? Yeah, yeah, they're midwest emo. I don't really listen to them a lot, but I like their.
Speaker 2:I like their stuff okay, I was thinking that they were from michigan, because where was that? We played mulligans, yeah, mulligans.
Speaker 1:I thought the same thing they have nothing to do with that, but it's funny because it's like the same. It is the same, very much the same. Maybe they played there. They probably have. Yeah, they would have had to. I like I liked playing at mulligans when we played john's show. That was pretty cool.
Speaker 2:I like that place it was a lot bigger than I remember last time, because I remember I played there way back, way before even covid. That's funny, I have to like remember things before and after covid at this point oh, and john was first starting getting no, I played with my buddies. This was. This was before I volunteered at RES. It had to have been 2014.
Speaker 1:I didn't know you had been about it with bass for that long.
Speaker 2:I've been playing bass for probably about 15 years, 16 years. Are you still practicing? Not every day.
Speaker 1:But you're not like oh, I haven't played my bass in two months, Correct.
Speaker 2:I actually just played at bass in two months.
Speaker 1:Correct, I actually just played at Harbor Life with Luigi yesterday. Oh nice, do you like that church? It's all right, it's just like a gig.
Speaker 2:It's kind of a gig at this point, and so I want to get back into practicing every day, because for a while I was practicing just 10 minutes every day, yeah, and I could feel myself getting really good. John would send me a song and boom, I'd have something. If you listen to the last album, it's like there's so much creativity on my end of what I'm adding.
Speaker 1:Yeah, You're definitely. You're the melodic lead in a lot of those songs.
Speaker 2:And then this last one. It was a little bit more of a challenge for me to do things actually on weight. When I recorded weight I was still in that zone of practicing 10 minutes a day and you can definitely hear it because there's a lot going on in that. That actually took a lot of skill that I had gathered yeah and now it's just hard with working full-time, trying to do the podcast yeah trying to get that practice time in, so it would be cool to you know I'm doing two jobs now three jobs now three jobs.
Speaker 1:What's the third one?
Speaker 2:I know I thought you were talking. I thought you said three jobs and we're referring to this as my third job well, I mean, this is more fun though it is more fun even editing the videos. Even though sometimes it can be a pain, it can be kind of fun I hate editing. You can edit mine if you want your music videos. I don't know how to do those, whatever no it's just something to do on a saturday morning.
Speaker 2:You just, yeah, watch the youtube video, and then I I don't. I don't have the editing software ai, where it automatically flips it between who's talking yeah so I have to go in and watch the whole video and then pause it, clip the video, delete like the half of whoever wasn't talking during that time okay because I like having it flip back and forth you probably spend like an hour on each video, maybe two depending on how long the episode is.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, what do you have? A this is kind of off topic, but not because we're talking about churches Do you have a main church right now that you're going to?
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's the Baptist one in Byron. Good old Baptist Byron.
Speaker 1:Baptist one Is that by Full Circle Coffee Shop.
Speaker 2:What's close? What is considered close Within two miles?
Speaker 1:I think it's by the jets that you worked at Full Circle. What is considered close within two?
Speaker 2:miles. It's by the jets that you you worked at full circle, so connected to it. No, that is the jets that I currently work at. Okay, you said, is it by full circle?
Speaker 1:I'm saying yeah, it's like within four or five minutes yes okay, so it's pretty close to there. You put you don't play their, do you just attend I just attend. I'm probably going to they probably don't have like a full band. I'm guessing there.
Speaker 2:No, it's an electric bass, two acoustics, a drummer and a pianist. I have to really watch how I say that word.
Speaker 1:Why.
Speaker 2:Pianist.
Speaker 1:Oh, Are they? How's the worship there? I know like I'm so used to because Rez obviously like has they have like they just have so many good worship leaders and they are obviously very skilled at music and that's what I grew up in, but I know it's actually that's not a common thing for most churches, which is like kind of a blessing for us, but how is it there?
Speaker 2:well, they keep the lights on so the holy spirit doesn't show up. It's kind of weird really, I'm just kidding. Well, they do keep the lights on. It's way different than res. Yeah, it's kind of weird really, I'm just kidding. Well, they do keep the lights on. It's way different than res. Yeah, it's kind of funny play like the.
Speaker 1:What do you call it? Like foundational songs that res might play maybe like I'm trying to think of a foundational song like lead me to the cross, or like something like like how he loves or not even they don't even go to well, if it's the youth, they might hit how he loves because they play they're probably doing like staple classics, though they're probably not going for like what's new, that maverick city's playing, if I was to know when they have the teen takeover services they'll have they displayed from foundation that's, even though that's by maverick city.
Speaker 2:I do actually like that song but they, when that's the like I said, when it's the teen takeover, they do like that's cool though that they do that.
Speaker 1:I like that. I feel like, uh, when it comes, I don't really study, uh, denominations, that much, I don't know. But you know, you just kind of know like a vague stereotype, I know that baptist can kind of be all over the place where it's like really strict, and then some are a little bit looser to where they might have a teen takeover.
Speaker 1:So that's kind of cool yeah, I was like the team would everything would you say that's kind of loose for a baptist church and like what it like can be like a really strict belief of baptist denomination yeah, I would say it's probably a little bit more loose for a Baptist church.
Speaker 2:Once in a while this older guy, dan Takens, will go up and he'll lead worship. He's funny. But he'll say oh, it's okay, you can clap Really.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's really funny.
Speaker 2:People aren't used to that there.
Speaker 1:So I would say there is some parts of it. Tell me you lift your hands up sometimes just to be that guy where everyone's like, oh my gosh.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:I didn't even really do that at rest. I dare you. I dare you. I know that you would do it. It's not even a bad thing.
Speaker 2:I dare you, I don't think it's a bad thing, but I just don't know if I would do it.
Speaker 1:I just want to hear. I want you to come back and tell me a story from it.
Speaker 2:I From it. I'll think about it, but I think a lot of Baptist churches probably don't allow clapping or dancing or any of that because some of them are fundamentalist and I think it's crazy.
Speaker 1:David can run around naked and they call that glory to the Lord.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I think he was by himself. Well, you know what I mean, and I think he had something on. Hey dude, I'm just making a fun joke, said david I thought you're talking about david at rest I was like bro, what?
Speaker 1:I'm just saying there's a definitely don't quote me on, I'm no biblical scholar, by any means, but I just there's definitely a lot of examples and in the bible of people just doing where god just does stuff that you're like that. That was kind of weird.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I think a lot of times when they are dancing. I don't know, it seems like they're by themselves, but I don't know for sure I don't.
Speaker 1:I don't think there's, I don't think there's necessarily scripture like specifically like you have to lift your hands, or the opposite side of don't lift your hands. I think it's kind of like a gray area where it's like some churches are like don't express yourself. They don't mean it like that, but that's how it comes off to I would. That's how it comes off to. Uh, what do you call it? More charismatic stuff like they hear.
Speaker 1:They hear like you're not lift your hands. You're like, oh, don't express yourself. And then a baptist. What is why? What is their thoughts behind that? Actually, I don't know. I was just gonna.
Speaker 2:I think with fundamentalist it's. It's not that they think dancing or clapping is necessarily sinful, it's just they. They know the uh dangers of compromise which it can be, because because, say, you're somebody's dancing in church and all of a sudden it's borderline provocative, and then somebody I've never seen someone throw it back at church. I'm not saying, I'm not saying right, I'm just saying are they afraid that?
Speaker 1:that the young girl who who's low-key listening Cardi B on the side might do something questionable.
Speaker 2:I mean, you never know, that's a thing. I mean it seems like a far cry within a church.
Speaker 1:That's where I would hope that, as a church leader, you would talk to that individual.
Speaker 2:But this is where the problem comes in. If that were to happen and somebody says, hey, you can't dance like like that, then all of a sudden they say, well, these people are dancing. Go hang out those people then. No, I mean, like other people in the church they would, they could point them back. Well, they're dancing and then what makes mine provocative? Is it because I'm a woman?
Speaker 1:like they could go down that rock I feel like they're trying to put out a fire before, if it happens, and and I'm not even relating that to like what's that verse avoid even the appearance of evil, whatever. I don't think that you're even, I don't think you're even close to that territory in that, in that area, I don't know.
Speaker 2:I just think that's where they're coming from oh, you're saying like that's just okay.
Speaker 1:I thought maybe, like you knew of someone who's sharing this with you, that's baptist no, they never shared those exact words, but I do listen to some fundamentalist youtubers christian I have, I have, like you try to get you know, you want to get all the spectrums and yeah, yeah I listen to some charismatic, as long as they're well, both okay.
Speaker 2:So I think both sides have issues. I think when it's when you're overly charismatic, it's like almost way too based on experience and not enough theology, yeah, but then, on the flip side, when you're so like the reformed and cessation aside, which cessationist is like you don't believe in, you're just never going to get perfect.
Speaker 1:You know I I'm a believer. When it comes to picking a church or trying to find a church yes, you don't want to I would say don't pick a church. That's actually anti-christian, like straight up teaching non-biblical things.
Speaker 1:Well yeah yeah, I'm just I'm just pointing that out so because what I'm about to say, so it doesn't. So that's like said, but when it comes to picking a church, like it doesn't really matter. It matters to a degree, but not caring as much denominational, it's like where's, where's God calling you? I mean, I've heard stories of couples that are like 60 and they've been at the same church for 45, 50 years, like their whole life, and throughout that 45, 50 years the church like changed denominations like six times, changed lead pastors like four times.
Speaker 1:And one of my, one of my friends who who got to talk to this guy, was like well, why, like what? What kept you there? Like why did you stay committed to that church after all those years and all those like that's just weird, that's a lot of weird trends and transitions? And he was like, well, God didn't, didn't call me to a denomination and he didn't call me to us pastor. He called me to the people and to the church and this community.
Speaker 1:And he's like he was talking about how you know, you don't, he didn't come to church to agree with every single thing they do. He's here for the body and for the community and this is the place that God called him to and I was like that's kind of profound. That was profound to me. Yeah, that is Because I think I don't think there's anything wrong with being called to a different church or feeling like you got to go somewhere else, but I think there's a lot of freedom and knowing that you don't have to agree with every single thing that's said at a church or taught oh yeah, You're never going to find someone and you don't have to be like, oh, I'm this denomination, this is the only place I can be at, either, and it's like no, like what Is God calling you to this, this place?
Speaker 1:or not, right, like at res? I know, I know god has called me to res. There's been plenty of times where I'm like, oh, I don't. I don't really agree with with this exactly, but that that's okay yeah, I'm sure you've experienced that at churches and obviously I know you've experienced it at res, but I'm sure you even experienced it at the church right now no, the church I go to now is perfect.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm just kidding. Uh, yeah, I was just saying there's like there is there's dangers of being way too far certain sides, I think yeah, for sure because when you're basing things just like purely off experience, like look at what happened with the united Methodist I don't know if you heard about Is this recent. Yeah, no with the. United Methodist denomination. They all. They're now accepting gay clergymen.
Speaker 1:Really Pastors yeah.
Speaker 2:And it's like if you ever see a Methodist church. Their symbol is fire, because it's the they put so much emphasis on the Holy Spirit, and experience fire because it's the they put so much emphasis on the Holy spirit and experience.
Speaker 1:This is what I'm talking about. Really Methodist, see, I don't you. You know so much more about denominations than I do. I thought Methodist was like really reserved, like closed off.
Speaker 2:No, they're the first to fall on every, every. That's crazy.
Speaker 1:I feel like I should know more about this stuff. I I think it's interesting.
Speaker 2:I love the fact that there's different denominations. I love that people can debate and argue on certain things as long as they can find the common ground, that's why I like ruslan.
Speaker 1:I know, like you said, recent times you haven't been as big of a fan, but what I've really appreciated about his podcast is he just seems like he's really good at not full-on choosing a side, yeah, and if he does kind of pick a side, like he tries to find the common ground with both people yeah, he does.
Speaker 2:I'm not saying I just like him or what he's saying yeah, yeah, the podcast just hasn't, hasn't appealed to, to your taste lately, yeah, it just seems like and I I know that a lot like it's his way to get income, so he's got to get views and clicks, but the thumbnail sometimes, like all like I, like that one, you know, and like dude.
Speaker 1:That's the vibe.
Speaker 2:I don't like that, I just it's, and then sometimes he'll label the video something and he'll barely talk about what that topic was yeah and I mean to me it's like if I'm going to watch a 10 minute video, I want you to hit the nail on the head with whatever you titled this and just bash it in like that's what I want to hear, and then sometimes it just doesn't happen yeah, but yeah, I mean, I get, I I think it might become.
Speaker 1:That might become more annoying when you're like a consistent viewer. But it makes sense for somebody who's trying to gain new viewers. Yeah, so I could see that being annoying for somebody who's a fan like consistently or whatever. But I mean, if you can kind of find the common ground, it's like oh, well, they're trying to gain new fans, trying to grow like, especially if the video is still a good video.
Speaker 2:Maybe it's over exaggerated, but if it's still an enjoyable video, whatever, that's why I like where my life is at right now with my jobs. It's not too much. And then doing one of these episodes a week, they can be unfiltered. I don't have to worry about getting clicks like, oh man, I got to get all these clicks and views like I don't have to rely on this as my income, right, and so that's kind of a nice feeling, whereas someone like him, r Rusan, like that's his job, he's got to make sure he's up and For me it would almost like, If you go back to his old videos, it's probably not even as filtered.
Speaker 1:It probably was, as he got sponsors. I'm pretty sure Does he have sponsors now.
Speaker 2:Yes, for sure. Oh, and then another thing he kept having a commercial for his Bless God prayer journey.
Speaker 1:Fire, bro. Definitely you should do that.
Speaker 2:I would expect the same from you, I definitely bought two of them, though, so I mean it worked, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1:But it was like but that's why he also has it. So, if you like, because you can get a part of what they call Patreon. If you get on his Patreon, you don't have to see any of those ads. So it's also like uh, right, it's at the Pam, what do you call it? Um, it's just like to get to get. If you really want to support him and you really like what he's doing, it's like to help I can't think of the word for it podcast with no, no ads yeah, for now I'll just.
Speaker 2:I don't even listen to a lot of youtube right now, anyway, so me, neither I've been.
Speaker 1:This is probably the busiest season of my life, but it's been like the most restful at the same time. What's busy about it? I mean, just being in ministry is like a whole different. It's more restful in a sense of man it's. It's pretty cool because you know I'm around worship and and just ministry all the time, so there's a lot of cool things that come along with that, because obviously I was a plumber before this.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm not getting. You'd get cussed out all the time. Being a plumber, people would just I've had wrenches thrown at me, just ridiculous stuff to where if you've never been in the trades like you would not you wouldn't be able to even remotely relate to it. But going from getting like cussed out and all that wild stuff every day to being in a ministry job is definitely a big culture shift. And so just that alone, even though, like, I feel more busy, like because I feel more, more restful yeah not having to to deal with, just because I get it like.
Speaker 1:Being in worldly jobs is fine, but being in the trades is like a next like level of worldly jobs. It's not the same as being a banker or working in an office, trust me, I've, I know and so like. It's just a whole, it's like a next level. Just, you're just like whoa. I've never, I've never been treated that way in my entire life and I've never experienced even a human being like you before I remember I.
Speaker 2:This was after I I was managing jets and I quit after four years. I was so happy and I went to go be a carpenter and I did it for two days. The guy was so bad, so like just nasty.
Speaker 1:How old were you at?
Speaker 2:this point I was probably 24, 25.
Speaker 1:Was that when you were starting to get into that mindset of like? I don't know? I know that you've grown a lot since. I can't remember what age you feel like you got to like you. You got stronger mentally. What age would you say that was?
Speaker 2:boy. I would say I got strong mentally probably within the last couple years.
Speaker 1:Okay, we're talking really that's why you quit so fast. Because, bro, I stuck through it, plumbing like I, the, the, I got crazy treatment and I the thing is you couldn't complain about it, or like pete, they would just like entice them to want, they want to get the reactions they want you to. So you just have to take it and like that doesn't bother me, and then that would get them to like chill out. But, bro, I had days where like I mean, mind you, I've been plumbing for like six months, seven months, so I don't know much about plumbing, you know, especially when you start, just starting off, like you're fire cocking, like pipes, like you're not even learning plumbing. So I got put with a really mean guy and I'll.
Speaker 1:The only thing I had really done up until that point was fire cocking. And man, this dude like would every morning he'd scream at me, he'd cuss me out. He'd be like, just, it'd be like how worthless I am, how like dude, you should just like get in your car right now and go home like but screaming it and then being like like what? And he'd look at me and be like, well, what are you just doing there, standing looking at me. I'd be like, oh sorry, I thought that was a rhetorical rhetorical statement yes, I did and he was like no, like he'd be like why?
Speaker 1:why are you acting like a worthless piece of like, you know? And I'd be like oh, you know. Like he would ask me, he would say rhetorical things to me. He'd either ask rhetorical questions or say rhetorical statements that you obviously don't have response to, but he would make you respond to it like be like well, he'd be like um, and so really all you do is just act dumb and just be like okay, yep, I'll try to do better. And then you just keep your, keep your head in the grindstone and keep working, even if they're cussing you out and throwing wrenches at you and pulling you into trenches with shovels.
Speaker 1:That's kind of pathetic on their end, though I think it's a different culture, though like like it's actually, in my opinion, it's like polar opposite of ministry, because like ministry is like hey, let's encourage each other. If, if you mess up, let's you know. Let's be like, hey, you messed up, but like, you got this, like that's how we're gonna build you and get you better, is encouragement. The trades at least in my experience with plumbing is like we're gonna treat this guy so bad and just make him feel like he sucks, and he's gonna get really annoyed of that treatment to the point where he's gonna rise to the occasion and be the best he can be oh, I gotcha, yeah.
Speaker 2:So, like the, in order to avoid that happening, I have to get better, yeah and it like, it's almost like even you could say like kind of military yeah mindset like hey, if they, if they quit because I'm treating them like this, they weren't even cut out for this.
Speaker 1:They wouldn't. They wouldn't have been able to handle the bad days from plumbing if they can't handle me that might looking at it from that way, that might not be the worst thing but, brother, I get that.
Speaker 1:I like to a degree, for sure, maybe, yeah, to a degree, to a degree. But if you're, if you're screaming at someone who's been plumbing for six months about how worthless they are and even telling them they should just go home because they suck, bro, who's gonna learn plumbing in six months? Like, especially if you haven't even plumbed yet, you all should done is fire cocked a pipe? Yeah, you know, you're obviously not gonna be skilled in plumbing after six months.
Speaker 1:And so to to bring someone down to that degree without having any experience and be one thing if you I mean I, I don't think you should treat people like that in general. But if I was to say like, uh, that was an advocate, I would say, okay, say, even if you've been plumbing for three years and you've done all the things, and maybe you've been working with the same foreman and you've messed the same thing up like it's your third time on different jobs, I messed it up and then be like, bro, what? And you know, yeah, that'd be like the devil's advocate, but we're talking like new guys.
Speaker 2:That are right. I definitely don't think you should ever be saying somebody's worthless. I don't agree with that. But yeah, I think the harshness of it sometimes has helped me, because I also did electrician back in the day as well, that was way back in yes, now I'm a welder but, uh, to circle back around, wait, wait.
Speaker 1:Even started that conversation, got into that huge tangent but doing minute. Life's been super busy, but restful at the same time I've been. You know, ministry is like you take ministry home too. It doesn't just kind of stay at the house, I mean, you're kind of always you know if someone calls you or you know it's, it's like you just take it at home with you. So, and also like music and being married, and there's some things in the work that I won't mention on the podcast just because the wife doesn't want it to be official until it's official and I will say it's not kids, that's something else. But, um, are you allowed to tell me off the air?
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I probably mentioned it to you. I just yeah, might. Maybe probably mentioned it to you.
Speaker 2:I just yeah, might maybe yeah anyways, but just a lot of like transitions and and I've been working on music a lot you did mention it okay, yeah, yeah, I've been working on music a ton too.
Speaker 1:A lot, a lot I'm making. I mentioned made a song with brendan recently. That's been.
Speaker 2:That was pretty cool is is another one, another one different one and are you going for a full album or are you just going to keep doing the singles thing, singles there's no point in dropping an album.
Speaker 1:I mean, I would say the only point this is my opinion, it's not facts, but the only point in my opinion, in dropping an album if you don't have any following, it would be and to me not having a following is anything under 20 000 monthly listeners, maybe, maybe giving, maybe, I'll say 10 000 to give a little bit more like lead way yeah but the reason why I wouldn't drop an album is because if you don't have a following, no one's gonna really be willing to.
Speaker 1:No one's gonna really be willing to listen to a 20 songs of someone they've never heard of that has 50 monthly Spotify listeners. Just the facts. Yeah, they might be willing to listen to one song, Like oh, this guy has a single like I'll check it out, but they're not going to listen to your your 20 song album and no one's ever heard of you.
Speaker 2:Do you think it has to do with they might think you're kind of lame cause you don't have a lot of followers, because I, I feel like even me you just haven't built relationship with them as a as a fan or a viewer or whatever yeah, as a musician, I I'm more prone to listening to an entire album of somebody that I see oh, they've got a lot of monthly listeners versus oh there's this new person?
Speaker 1:yeah, if you see someone, I think I just assume they're not that good, or something yeah, I feel like, if you see someone and this is me just speaking from my opinion, obviously, and even from experience, because this is how I react to people's music too, to be honest If I see someone with like 50 to 100 monthly listeners, unless I hear their first song, I'm like wow, this is amazing. How are they not famous yet? Unless it's like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm probably just going to listen to their top two most popular songs and give them a shot. The one with the star next to it, yeah, and if it's like all right, it's like okay, this is pretty decent. I probably won't listen to their whole album, but if they drop another single, I'll check it out sounds like not a very christian thing how I'm just kidding. I don't owe anyone my my time for their music. I know I joking, I know.
Speaker 2:Have you heard about the fact they're going to be banning TikTok or trying to?
Speaker 1:Yes, I have heard that I feel like they're not going to end up doing it. It just seems like one of those things that's going to fall through and they're not going to commit to.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but why are they? Do you know why they're trying to?
Speaker 1:ban it? Yeah, because China owns TikTok, and I guess that they've seen that this chair is so squeaky. They've seen that. I think that they can track people's stuff. They can just get some information, and I think it has to do with not wanting them to get information that they don't want them to have. I think, ultimately to say in like, really like simple terms oh, I thought.
Speaker 2:I also think it's because there's a lot of when we think of, like the political divide in america, which is crazy right now. I don't know, I can't help but see it on the news because I go to planet and it's on every tv with all the.
Speaker 1:This is what I'm thinking, bro. I just had to start right now and I correct me if I don't know what I'm talking about at all. But if it's, if china owns this app, right and it has nothing to do with america, why can't, why can't america just ban tiktok and make tiktok like, make a new one, just make it call it tiktok and everything. It's's not like we don't have any laws with China. It's not like there's copyright from China that they can sue us in America for Right. Couldn't they do that? Yeah, I don't think they could sue us. So why doesn't the government just? Maybe I'm sounding really stupid right now, but in my head this seems like it makes sense. Just ban TikTok Like. All right, guys, here's TikTok Again. Literally the same exact thing.
Speaker 2:Here's tiktok, but it's the government puts it out I suppose they could do that, because, yeah, I think the reason why they do want to ban it is because of china dude.
Speaker 1:I feel like I just came up with a solid idea but trying to get that restarted. Well, elon musk did it with twitter so he owns twitter, though twitter never it never changed, like my twitter account still exists yeah, so everyone would have to get make new accounts, everything would be deleted off tiktok and they'd have to start brand new.
Speaker 2:But people are so smart nowadays, there's gotta be a way that they could, like you can, transfer your account to yeah in some way I feel like they could figure something out and most people, I'm sure, have their videos saved on their phone, the ones that they have. The government owns it why do they care?
Speaker 1:they're making all this money, because I couldn't picture like someone who's not in the government doing this, because it seems like it's a government matter anyways, to begin with with it being banned.
Speaker 2:And stuff yeah well, I think it's right now where it's at. It might be good, because I think that if you ever look at what's on china because china obviously has tiktok too, yeah, but it's- all it's all good stuff yeah, but for theirs it's showing like martial arts and yeah, it's all beneficial stuff it's all beneficial stuff and then here it's just stupid stuff, like some of the stuff that we send to each other is just like it's funny.
Speaker 1:It is funny but it's just dumb it's one thing if, like, you just seen that video randomly but like, that's like all you're seeing. Yeah, it's not like, oh, that, one funny video and then a bunch of once once in a while there'll be something that's beneficial, but it's few and far between I'm obsessed with chiropractor videos. I don't like the ones where they like, crack their neck but like the, the decompression one, where they like yank their head and it like.
Speaker 2:I don't like that, that's so it freaks me out every time I want to get it done. I wonder if anybody's ever died doing that.
Speaker 1:Um no, um, no, I don't think anyone's died, but I'm sure that people that don't know what they're doing have messed people up before. If I was to get it done, I would uh, I would only go to somebody who, like a famous person that's done, it's like a hundred thousand people that just like has like a huge list, credential list of like hey, all these people uh will say that this is legit. Yeah, how do you get experience for? That that's the thing. That's kind of scary, like I can imagine you.
Speaker 2:You have to like ask certain people I'm not gonna be the guy to get trained on. I gotta write my experience down you want to be the first one. I know, how to do it. I've practiced on dummies yeah, there's no way.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I would never. I would. What if they paid you millions of?
Speaker 2:dollars. But what if they're like hey, I've got even like a hundred thousand cash right now. Wow.
Speaker 1:That's a really good. That's a good. That's a good question. I, man dude, I'd have to consult my pillow on that one, cause it's a lot of money, just to you know. It might turn out fine, but I know people personally who have been like injured from chiropractors and like still experience issues today.
Speaker 2:What kind of is it like? Bad enough to say no to a hundred thousand, Are they?
Speaker 1:paralyzed Is it. They just have severe back issues now. Oh, yeah. They went to a chiropractor that obviously didn't know what they were doing and injured them.
Speaker 2:Well, who gives them their license?
Speaker 1:is what I want to know. Yeah, I don't. I don't know what the graduation rate of chiropractor school is, but I know the acceptance rate is 100%. Like you could apply right now and just get accepted. To go to school for it yes, Now you have to pass, obviously, to get your license but, I know it's not hard to get in.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, it shouldn't. I feel like it shouldn't really be hard to get into it. Well, yeah, it shouldn't.
Speaker 1:I feel like it shouldn't really be hard to get into it. How smart do you have to be? I shouldn't say that I'm saying like I don't feel like it's. I guess I asked Jared Blaukamp because he went to school for it, so he would know how hard it is or not to pass. Does he have his license? Yeah, he could go to an office and get a job as a chiropractor.
Speaker 2:I just saw is he going to Botswana.
Speaker 1:That's all of access. Yeah, Mission trip, All of access. I mean, I think they kind of kept it low key because they could only take certain people. They didn't advertise it as this big thing. It was kind of like oh, if you heard about it and you asked, you could probably sign up and go. They kept it low key, though.
Speaker 2:And how long are they going to be gone?
Speaker 1:for, I think, a week, maybe a week and a half. The layover is going to be insane, 19-hour layover.
Speaker 2:Where is Botswana?
Speaker 1:Wow, I don't know. I don't know. I couldn't tell you. I could guess, but I probably wouldn't have it correct. And is that where Bernie's at currently? No, he's going to Pakistan, or he's already been going to Pakistan. Dude you, I wish you worked at Resbro.
Speaker 1:If you heard these stories you would like poop your pants. Really. It's like it's even a lot for me to where. I'm like what there's no way, no way, what? What there's no way, like, no way, what. It's just like these stories are telling. It just sounds like they're straight up reading it out of the book of acts, just like ridiculous stuff. I I probably won't say it on the podcast, because some stuff isn't supposed to be told just to protect people in pakistan, because they're talking to really high up people that are in different groups, like people like straight, like how do you say it? What are like the popular terrorist organizations like isis and hamas, but the other one, what's the other one? Gosh, it's like the al-qaeda, al-qaeda, like they're just different people from these different groups are getting saved and yeah it's just they.
Speaker 1:They won't even share much more than that on camera, but I get to hear, like the more details. I was excited I talked to Bernie in person and also, like when they share with staff what's going on, they don't record it to protect identities and people from getting murdered for accepting Jesus, but I um, yeah, I'd love to talk with you more about it off camera. I just I don't want to get in trouble for sharing too much Fair.
Speaker 2:But back to the Botswana thing is like what are they doing for a week there? I feel like and this isn't like a bash on it or anything but I feel like a week isn't long enough.
Speaker 1:It might be two weeks, I don't know For mission missionaries usually it's like you move there for if I was a guest. I mean, they're only going to pakistan, it's like a week at a time.
Speaker 1:Oh, but a lot's happening in a week at a time. Holy cow, bro. Yeah, it's uh. Yeah. The best way I could describe it without sharing the details is it's like they're reading the book of acts. To me, like just straight out the book acts. I'm me like just straight out of the book of Acts. I'm like what Come again? Like huh, or like even.
Speaker 2:Well, it depends on what parts, because there's also Saul killing Christians in the book of Acts.
Speaker 1:I mean, that's happening too, not from their hand, but from, yeah, and that's scary, isn't it? And to what else was I going to say? Like I, jared, I was asking Jared about it a little bit Cause he has obviously been on. He went on one of the trips and I was just asking him about it and he was. He was like do you know that verse Um? And?
Speaker 1:And one of the gospels where it talks about like all the miracles that Jesus did? And it says you know, I, I can't all of what has happened down. Like not even all the books in the world could contain all that's happened and all the miraculous things that have happened. And jared's like that's like how I would describe what's happening in pakistan. When they go, it's like just so much is happening. You can even write it all down and track it all on a p? Um. Yeah, it's wild. Yeah, I know. When you, when you put it like that, I was like oh, that's talking about, like people being saved, or miracles, both everything that you could think of like talking to bro.
Speaker 1:I mean they're even. They're even talking to like high political leaders, like in pakistan.
Speaker 1:That would be my scary thing I'd be freaking out if I were them I mean there's, there's no reason for them, I'm just saying they've been put in positions, bro, where it's like like they they should be dead, like loki and a lot of these. It's like obviously they god's protecting them because there's a higher purpose and calling as to what he's having them do. But I mean they've. They've been threatened so many times of like by the people they meet with like I could kill you right now, and then those people either end up getting saved or I mean they go around with guards or not, like not guarded. They're with legit guards, like dudes with like big guns and protecting them but still.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that'd still be scary.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:That'd be wild stuff, especially over there, where, uh, the big Muslim population is which is you know the religion of peace.
Speaker 1:Yeah, man, which is yeah, you know the religion of peace.
Speaker 1:Yeah, man, I like I'm trying so hard to like be filtered to the degree with that. There's just so much I want to tell you now around the topic, but I hopefully we can get coffee and talk about it some more. I wish like bernie could talk to you about it. It's so interesting. You're just like what? Like I feel, like I. I asked jared, I was like, how do you guys even like process all of that mentally? Do you just come back and you're like did I? Is that a dream, when something that intense and those amount of crazy things happen? And I was even asking Jared and Bernie I don't know if I maybe I just asked Jared this but I was like what is that like to process that?
Speaker 1:Going to a different country and experiencing people so hungry for like the gospel, like just insanely, like they hear it and they're like, oh my gosh, like it's just like they want it instantly to coming back here to like where it's so different. People aren't aren't wanting it. Like that, people aren't really seeking that. They are. You're getting rejected more and it's just like it'll just be such a 180 because you go to pakistan and preach the gospel. You don't know the way that they, the way they explain to me. They're not even saying crazy stuff, they're like preaching the simplest gospel message you can think of. Like it's just kind of like super basic. You know, adam, eve, sin, enter the world and then the only thing that could, that could uh solve the sin problem, is God's one and only son dying the death that you should have died and his blood paying for your sin, like something like that. Like super simple. And they're like I need this, oh my gosh.
Speaker 2:Well, I think that, yeah, when people hear the truth, they either like really need it and want to accept it, or they they get angry and want to have to deny it.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And it's funny that in a lot of countries that aren't America, christianity is growing Like stories like that. I mean it's awesome to hear, but I'm not surprised.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And then you say when we're back here, it's like people don't really want to hear it. It's because I think Americans are just so comfortable and a lot of them think that they're just saved because maybe they live in a conservative part of the of America, like oh, I live in a bible belt. I'm saved because of that yeah, there's definitely a difference.
Speaker 1:I think it's hard. Um, I think I've come, I think I've come more to terms with it. But you know, especially me, hearing all these crazy stories and then to be, uh, to be so blessed, like it does make you more thankful for where you're at. But it's hard not to almost feel guilty sometimes. You know what I mean. You shouldn't feel guilty, like you can't control where you grow up and how good you have it or how good you don't have it. I don't think you should make it hard on yourself just for the pure fact I'm doing that. It's kind of stupid too. But just to hear like wow, like I have it so good, that's like, wow, these people have it horrible and I have it amazing, it's like a huge reality check. Yeah, it's just my healthy, it's probably healthy to have a real. It's like you know.
Speaker 1:I don't think you should feel like guilt and shame for being blessed and not having to struggle as much as somebody but it's definitely a good reality check to be like oh wow, like I have it good I have been thinking about that a lot lately because I'm like man.
Speaker 2:I wonder if america's ever going to be in a situation where I could be killed for my faith yeah with all these like protests and riots going on over the israel thing. I feel like I have been kind of scared.
Speaker 1:Gosh, I would love to talk more about that in person. The Israel and Palestine thing is really. I don't want to talk about it too much here, but I do have, why not?
Speaker 1:Because, I'll say this, for most churches it's like you know, israel's got its chosen people and, like, israel is just really important to a lot, of, a lot of people and so you just gotta be careful about, about that, just cause, um, some people just have really strong beliefs but Israel, and so oh, I'm definitely pro Israel, but yeah, okay, so then I guess we'll move on to something else that I can't think of right now. Yeah, yeah, I don't know talk about music all day yeah, we can uh, what about?
Speaker 2:when are you?
Speaker 1:gonna start singing. I know you're taking vocal lessons. What happened? I stopped.
Speaker 2:I know dude start it's a lot of money 100 bucks a month for a half hour lesson once a week 100 a100 a month.
Speaker 1:Half hour lesson. So two hours paying $100. For two total hours $50 an hour.
Speaker 2:It's usually about $25 for a half hour $25 for that's not bad. Yeah, but for a month that's $100. And that adds up $1,200 a year.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I guess it depends on how motivated you are yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2:It's not something that I really want to do. It was like I was taking them and then schedules got busy and some. I don't remember what was happening with tiffany, but she was, I don't know. She stopped like something happened. It wasn't like a big life change.
Speaker 1:You know she's moving Again To Texas, to Texas. Yeah, I think I can announce that now. I think it's public information at this point.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, I hope the five people that listen don't find out. Yeah, I don't know. No, I didn't know that. Why is she moving to Texas?
Speaker 1:She is moving to texas. Um, she is moving to texas because, uh, tyler, she's the way that she worded it is uh, dallas is kind of the new, is kind of becoming what? Like, have you ever heard of, you know, silicon valley? Oh, that was like the big tech people moved to silicon valley because that's where all the tech stuff was popping off, where that's in texas. It's not in texas, but they're saying like dallas is kind of being coming, the new silicon valley as well.
Speaker 1:People are saying like that's the place where there's a lot of opportunity and and the field that Tyler's in with tech and their company is growing like crazy and the people are talking to is like really high up and that's just like the next move and it makes sense for for them to move there and so that's where they're going. She's going to be the way where they're going. She's going to be the way. I don't know how accurate this is, so don't quote me, but I'm pretty sure she said she'll be. There'll be six months living in Dallas, six months living in Michigan and they're like they're keeping their house here and everything. They're not selling their house.
Speaker 1:They're turning into a bed and breakfast actually Airbnb or an actual legit Airbnb bed and breakfast. It's going gonna be like more legit than the average airbnb. It's gonna be pretty stinking cool. What's more legit mean? I mean, she's hiring tenants, so like I can't remember, I think it's what's her last name? Oh man, why am I abby? She worked at wild roast. Um, twee, what's her last name? Her mom's twee? I know, I know who you're talking okay well, abby and her husband are gonna.
Speaker 1:I don't know if they're married yet they're either married or about to be married, but they're. They're gonna hire them to live at the house, like that's gonna be where they live in a section of the house and they're gonna be in charge of like the bed and breakfast and everything. It's gonna kind of be like a hotel in a way, but a really nice house I never understood what an actual bed and breakfast is.
Speaker 2:I know it's because they used to have them back in the day. It'd be called a bed and breakfast, yeah, and it's basically a hotel. What makes it different than a hotel? Um, do they, do they cook?
Speaker 1:you get the whole house I mean, you have a whole house, um, you have kind of like people that that will. Obviously they're making your breakfast. There's breakfast ready for you in the morning that I wouldn't be surprised if there's more perks. Maybe they're doing lunch and dinners, I don't know. Oh, I don't know if that's what they're doing, but it's just pretty much like you have more what's the word for it? Like people are, you know, at a hotel you might not get help for a while.
Speaker 1:Like this is, like you're like, the main priority at this place to move to texas or wyoming, but for the exact opposite reasons of tech.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I want to, I want to be a rancher. Yeah, that's crazy. My buddy actually uh, because we're talking about texas uh, my buddy, kevin, his cousin, was living in texas and he owned a really uh successful company that did like, uh, roofing and and framing, and he ended up having to Michigan and working with my buddy because, for one, all his coworkers lied and stole from him like every single one, and so he had to fire everybody and he was one of the biggest contractors for his work there. And also, if you live in Texas, I guess there's a lot of people that I don't know, I only know what happened with him. But there's a lot of people that, like, I don't know, I just I only know what happened with him.
Speaker 1:But there's a lot of people that are obviously coming over the border and stuff, cause there there are a lot of people from Mexico that are just being let in and they're, they were taking a lot of the work specifically in Texas with his, with his trades Cause I mean, like you know, people would have this is how explained to me.
Speaker 1:So I didn't experience this personally. I know some people it's a sensitive, sensitive topic but he would, uh, you know they have a contract like, oh, we're, you know the deal, say the deal is five grand and they get it all worked out and whatnot. And they're like yep, and then a week later they you know, you have some people from mexico, whatever obviously they're not announcing themselves as that, but it's just like, hey, how much are they charging you to do this? They're like, okay, we'll do it, but if you let us do it, we'll do it by the day and you only have to pay us 200 a day. It's like way cheaper. And that was part of the other reason why he moved. Oh, I know I went off on a, went out on a little bit of a tangent, because we weren't talking about that, we're talking about texas, and just that popped into my head yeah I thought that's kind of interesting.
Speaker 1:I was like, oh wow.
Speaker 2:Anyway, I just think it'd be cool to be a rancher.
Speaker 1:Dude, I'm trying to get you to live at my house.
Speaker 2:I don't want to do that dude. I told you this already.
Speaker 1:I know you did, but it'd be kind of fun. We'd have a good time.
Speaker 2:We'll see where I'm at when this lease is up.
Speaker 1:I didn't what, oh, I was going to say. In their backyard, this backyard, years it's been years. It's fantastic. I was just gosh. I'm going to air myself out because I said I didn't want to talk about this, but it's okay. Well, nobody knows yet.
Speaker 1:That's true, and who knows? You know we'll probably be signing the paperwork in the next couple weeks, so let this one come out in a couple weeks. But anyways, um gosh, even though you're saying like five people, kaylin will probably watch this just because it's me on it, and then she'll be like she ain't gonna listen to the whole thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're probably right, um, but anyways, uh, yeah, I was. I was at the in-laws the other day. I was like dang dude, this yard is so nice. Like there's just no, there's it's it's favor from the Lord. There's just no reason why me and Kaylin knew newly I I mean I guess we're not particularly newlyweds anymore, but married a year and a half Like there's no reason why our first home should be like this, this nice. It's like this Lord it's favor and it's it's pretty cool. And what I was going to get out with that is, I mean, you'd have a place for no pressure to live there. I think it'd be cool and I think it'd be worth it. But I mean there's five bedrooms and a really nice yard and two bathrooms and a huge living room downstairs and middle level.
Speaker 2:See, if I had the whole basement and it was to myself you haven't stopped me yet, okay, and there was a kitchen down there then I would probably consider it. But when there's two different groups of people, so you'd be like you and Kaylin are like a family basically yeah and then me and I try to cook something. It's like, dude, we're gonna do that, we were gonna cook this. Oh, we did this. Like I can't do that it probably wouldn't be like that it would dry. Well, everybody says that.
Speaker 1:Everybody says how great it's going to be living with each other I uh those are always the ones that get the most annoyed no, I mean, my life has been nothing but but transition and like having to learn patience and and whatnot. So I think I would probably be the best roommate. I'm not even saying that necessarily, I just I just believe that, even apart from if you're to move in, I mean, bro, like I just had to adjust my whole life, like I just feel like it's always been adjustments. I mean my my dad got in a car accident when I was like young and you know he was pretty much handicapped, and then it went from.
Speaker 1:My parents had a lot of issues in the beginning and I was the child that was vented to about that like 10. And then to go on to my mom passing away to my dad being like, oh, we're selling, we're selling the house in one week, make sure to move all your stuff out and get. And then to go on to my mom passing away to my dad being like, oh, we're, we're selling, we're selling the house in one week, make sure to move all your stuff out and get it to your grandma's. That's not a lot of notice. And then I lived in a soup closet for two years.
Speaker 2:You know about that.
Speaker 1:I lived in a soup closet for two years and then it was like, hey, okay, we're moving to this new house room for four months. Then I'm married. My life has been like the crazy I've that.
Speaker 2:You grow as a as a human in a lot of ways, grow living in a soup closet?
Speaker 1:I would imagine yeah, and so all that would teach me a lot, all that to say, uh, I think I would be a good roommate because it would take. It takes a lot to get to get me annoyed. I can handle quite a bit and be super patient. Oh, I'm more than quite a bit no, I'm actually not.
Speaker 2:I'm not annoying as a roommate. I'm the one who gets annoyed, so maybe we would. Maybe it would work if you.
Speaker 1:Well, I'm one of those guys where, like you, could, like I said, I could handle a lot if you, if you were to be like bro that you got I can't keep having this like I think it'd be I wouldn't be the guy to react like bro. Like you know, be like dude, you just gotta deal with it like that, wouldn't I? I would probably get to help us get to common ground with something that'd be pretty, uh pretty understanding, I think, with a lot of things yeah, my only thing is the kitchen.
Speaker 2:And then, if it's like the living room which I don't mind, if people want to sit in the living room, it's called the living room for a reason. But if I'm reading a book, it's like what part of an open book with my face in it says that I want to talk to people. Yeah, and that happens every time. It would happen every time with most of my roommates. I'd be sitting there reading and then they sit down and want to have a conversation.
Speaker 1:It's like not amadeus, though he seemed like he was pretty cute to himself or no. No, you feel like it's like that. It was like that with all your roommates, all my roommates, but all your roommates were those type of people. You know what I mean. Like I've never been that type of person, you know. You know I haven't. I'm so different from all the people that you've lived with in the past, personality-wise, what type of people are they?
Speaker 2:I'm just curious, what do you mean, like there's?
Speaker 1:people who want to talk. Like you know, I guess I can't say it's every single person, but what's like? Not a lack of social skills, but a lack of understanding of environment sometimes, where you just like don't think twice about something, you just kind of do it yeah, that's true and not necessarily with, obviously, like I'm not saying that they lacked, they were, like that, everything but like they're not the type of person to to.
Speaker 1:The mindfulness doesn't necessarily come natural and like the, I would say at least the roommate area yeah, that that's a fair statement, and I would say it might with some of the Mindfulness.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's a good one, and it probably trickles.
Speaker 1:It would trickle into other things too. I'm not saying it was just roommates, but I just want to be respectful and protect integrity. I know no one out here would know what I'm talking about, but people probably watch your podcast, know who was roommates with you. Yeah some your podcast know who was roommates with you. Yeah, some of those roommates listen to ethan one of them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, love you ethan, hope you're safe, uh, and wherever you're at, I think it's that I think caleb when he reads his books. Ethan he'll think that's funny. Uh, he's in. What new mexico? Now that's crazy are you serious gosh man?
Speaker 1:he, he's just, he wants to experience life to the fullness. I think he's just a different breed, he's not. I his the way that he wants to experience it to the fullness and the way I would experience it to the fullness, but it seems like the right move for him. Yeah, I mean, how many people do we know that most people wouldn't want to do that? No, but he finds a lot of pleasure in that challenge and it's his third time Different trail, but third time doing the same idea.
Speaker 1:Dude, I was randomly thinking this the other day. You said you were talking about Ethan on trails. It made me think of this. Like I forgot that Mammoth Cave happened. Like I was like we did that, I like it just feels like a dream, dude. I think about it all the time, doesn't it? I don't know, to me it felt like a dream. I was like oh, we did that, that happened.
Speaker 2:I forgot that we went there it does feel like a dream in a sense, because I think it happened so fast. Yeah, drove up there friday, spent the day there saturday and left sunday.
Speaker 1:It was like yeah, that's probably what made it feel more like a dream, because it was like boom done.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it would have been nice to spend a little more time there and have it not be so rushed. But man, the post-vacation depression hit me so bad that time.
Speaker 1:I didn't feel that.
Speaker 2:I think it was like All the Taco Bell you're eating. I think that's what it was. It was like my entire diet bagels, pop-tarts, taco Bell what do you?
Speaker 1:usually eat the opposite of all that. What like salads and meat?
Speaker 2:eggs, yogurt, granola, tuna in a can and I can't love tuna.
Speaker 1:I think tuna, you do tuna sandwiches, or you just like eat the tuna I do the tuna sandwich without mayonnaise.
Speaker 2:I hate mayonnaise and tuna is absolutely disgusting.
Speaker 1:Is mayonnaise good for you or bad for you? Terrible, it's pretty bad for you. Yeah Gosh, it's so good. What would be a good substitute, then, for your?
Speaker 2:tuna sandwiches. It's disgusting. It tastes so gross. Well, I like tuna.
Speaker 1:I like tuna on a sandwich with mayo.
Speaker 2:But if mayo is like defeating the purpose, do you? So? The way that I tolerate it is I put two pieces of bread in the toaster oven, let them get a little crispy, and then I put the tuna on the bread, put it back in the oven so the tuna is cooked a little and then I can eat it. That way.
Speaker 1:What I do for it is I, I, I put my bread in the toaster and then I put the tuna on my bread, I put mayo on it, pickles and onions, ugh, and I actually like that. But I feel like if I went without the mayo, it'd be considered?
Speaker 2:Is the tuna cold? Yeah, oh I like it. And that's coming from a guy who eats sardines.
Speaker 1:I actually enjoy that. That's actually good to me. It's funny that you don't like it, and that's coming from a guy who eats sardines. I actually enjoy that. Like that's actually good to me. It's funny that you don't like it, because you're usually like the guy that eats stuff that I don't like Really, or how I feel like I said that that came out wrong. You just you eat a lot of things that I don't eat. Like you're healthier, so I just figured that you would actually like that.
Speaker 2:I'm trying to get to like it. The reason why I eat it, though, is because fish is really good for you. Tuna is pretty cheap. I can get like a can of tuna and in one serving it's like 25 grams of protein.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was lacking in the gym for the past. I'm going to be honest like probably like a year, I'm locked in now, though you never locked in, though I haven't locked a day in my life.
Speaker 2:The last four days I haven't gone Cause I got. I actually was whatever. You had that Monday that we were all supposed to get together. Yeah, you got sick too. I got something.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I, I got better pretty quick. I like I don't know why, but that Monday when I started feeling bad, I just started eating. I only ate healthy foods. I was having the emergency C packets. I was eating a lot of spinach and I felt better so fast, Like two days. I felt better. I should get those emergency things. Yeah, I was taking like two or three a day. I'd take one in the morning, I'd have one for lunchtime and I'd have one before I went to bed and I was just like I felt better in two days yeah, not fully better, but I my sore throat went away like quicker than I've ever had.
Speaker 2:A sore throat go away I think it was a combination for me, because I woke up wednesday with the sore throat and then I think it was that and then allergies, so I was both.
Speaker 1:I don't really get allergies that bad I do, luckily.
Speaker 2:And I like to walk around Millennium Park and Amon Park where there's trees galore and I have tree pollen allergy.
Speaker 1:Ooh, I want to start doing more walks at the park. That's so nice. I go on walks at res all the time, just outside, for sure, dude. That's the one really cool thing about about, uh, about ministry jobs. Obviously you can't, uh, go on on walks all the time clocked in, but I mean you can, if you're gonna go like listen to the bible app or you know, listen to like a book that's actually like spiritual good for spiritual growth or something you could go on a walk for like 30 minutes and listen to, to the bible app or something, and that's totally fine and that's pretty like it's pretty refreshing to do that could you ever be like?
Speaker 1:hey guys, I gotta go on a two-hour prayer, so I'll be out walking I mean, if, hopefully, you're actually doing that and it's with purpose if that's actually like if you're, if, if you really, if that's something that's serious and you know, say hypothetically, there's a big event happening and someone was like wanted to be alone for an hour and pray sure, I don't. I haven't really ever experienced that, actually at all, but I'm sure no one would question it because it's not something that usually people are like hey, I'm gonna be gone for two hours. It because it's not something that usually people are like hey, I'm going to be gone for two hours and pray, it's not, yeah, but I'm sure it'd be okay if it was like legit, sure, yeah, hopefully it's legit. Hopefully, if you're working at Rez or any church, hopefully they know your character.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because you don't want to. You don't want to, I wouldn't. I feel like it'd be so wrong to mess around with that kind of stuff Like say you're going to do this and then, just so you can get a break or something, yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm pretty. If you're actually pursuing the Lord and you have the Holy Spirit like, you should feel convicted. If you even like, think about like trying to cheat hours in some way, I would be sick.
Speaker 2:Like I couldn't do that, yeah me that?
Speaker 1:yeah, I'd be sick to my stomach. There's just no way I could ever do that me neither yeah, but um, yeah, that's so.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we're talking about walks, the park. I uh, I mean even I'll just be at home because obviously I live right by res and I'll just like. Every time brian has came over the he's came over a lot the past like three weeks. He's came over every week for three weeks and we would, we go on a walk, we walk around as like as a circle and go like the long way through the woods and stuff. That's like super relaxing. We just talk and hang out.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because they own part of the woods, don't they?
Speaker 1:They own like 12 acres or something huge. Oh really, maybe it's more than that. They own a lot bro.
Speaker 2:I didn't know that. I knew they owned a lot because they used to do paintball out there. Yeah.
Speaker 1:I mean they're building that House of Hope. That's like the. I mean Rez has done a lot of cool things. That I think is so sick, but I'm like, wow, I mean name another church that has done that there, that there's so many churches that could do that. I'm not shaming churches that don't do that, but, man, that's just like I've always felt like proud to be a part of res, but that right there I was like dang, that's so cool. That makes me really proud to be a part of the church yeah, how is that coming along?
Speaker 1:is it dude's really good? I mean I, we, I just found out that um because it was initially where it was like res was gonna pay to have it put up and then whoever the organization was was gonna like fund it yearly. I mean now res is gonna fund it yearly and everything. So I mean like that's gonna be a lot of money, but that's just that. I mean that just shows like where their priorities are at. Yeah, I mean I think it costs over eight million dollars to build this house on their property and it's going to be probably like a million dollars a year to keep going.
Speaker 1:I mean they're having, they're going to be having like blah, blah, blah words. They're going to be having nurses that like work there and like therapists and nutritionists and it's going to be like the whole nine yards and those are not cheap people. It's not cheap to pay for that. No, not cheap at all. But, um, yeah, that's dude. There's just I love res. I yeah, like we were talking about. You know, I don't, I haven't, I don't agree with every single message that was ever spoken.
Speaker 2:There's things that I'm like, but I'm not saying that out loud.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean just kidding yeah, but uh, I and I don't think there's anything. Right, there's never been anything. I was like oh, that's heresy, but there's just stuff where I'm like I don't fully agree with that, but cool, but I hear.
Speaker 2:The heresy word only came out for me, with some of the guest speakers that they'd have.
Speaker 1:But yeah, but of the things that that they are doing for for people and the money where they put their money is like super encouraging to me yeah, for sure and they keep it all in the books and I don't know.
Speaker 1:I love it and when I hear about the stuff they're doing, I'm like dang, I'm, I'm proud to be tithing to this church. I've seen, uh, I've seen uh, this is because we're talking about tithing and I've seen a instagram video. It was like some random sermon. It wasn't like anything profound, it was like just a normal, like you know, instagram sermon and I I just tend to read the comments on those because I don't know why there's just always funny like arguments on those like christian sermon comment sections. Trust me, I know I've gotten them on my own. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:And I was like um, somebody said something about like why would you even pay to to come to this? And for one, I didn't say this, but I'm like no, this, it's free to go to church. I don't know what this person means. I think they're referring to like why would you tie it to a church or something? And there's another comment that's like it's free and the person's like yeah, but people still give their money. And I'm like I just to comment. I made a comment to this person and I was like I can just read it verbatim because I can't remember exactly what I said. It was something along the lines of okay, here it is. I said how else do you expect a church to sustain itself in any capacity if nobody tithes, slash, donates to their ministry? Like people complain about tithing and churches being, like you know, talking about tithing, and because money is such a touchy subject, because I don't know, people are obsessed with money, I guess, and they think if someone asks for donations that they're like the devil, which is hilarious.
Speaker 2:Yeah, asking, not forcing yeah, it's not like the mormon church where they literally check your pay stub. That's insane. Yeah, alec was telling me that when he was down in utah. Yeah, it's pretty crazy.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, for sure that church is like losing people by the masses. Which one? The mormon church just in general.
Speaker 2:Oh, I thought you meant the one that they went down to help. I was like I hope not, yeah but any.
Speaker 1:Anyways, like I just think it's crazy that, um, people get so worked up about churches and people tithing. The churches and I'm like you do realize like a church could never sustain itself in any capacity if people don't tithe.
Speaker 2:Unfortunately, the only churches that are making headway are like the ones where it's clear that they could be spending their money somewhere better, and so then people get all mad about that.
Speaker 1:So that's where my understanding comes from.
Speaker 2:I don't agree with those comments saying like why would you pay? Because nobody's forcing them to pay them. They're just giving a message on tithing and why tithing is important. And, yeah, church needs people to give to continue being in operation.
Speaker 1:Well, it's usually the people that are commenting that I can only assume are either one people that aren't Christians yeah, they're probably not Two Christians who don't tithe and feel some sort of guilt or shame, whether they're willing to admit it or not, and so they try to make a case for trying to tithe.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they're trying to make up for it, or something.
Speaker 1:I like tithing, mean I? I I'm a joyful giver. I don't know I I don't know if you're supposed to say not to talk about that. I don't know.
Speaker 2:It says in the bible to be a joyful giver and it doesn't bother me to give to church I think that it's better to give than to receive, but so I like to give people the opportunity to give me money no, I like.
Speaker 1:Plugs this cash app hey guys in the description.
Speaker 2:Uh, no, I like, I like to give. I I don't know what I would consider joyful. No, yeah, because I'm never, it's like how do I say it?
Speaker 1:what does it say? Like you know, you don't, you don't give because cause you guys can give you something back. Yeah, but it does talk about in the Bible, like when you give you, just it just seems like you get blessed, like I definitely have.
Speaker 2:I also think it comes from and it sounds backwards, but when you give, especially when it's like as soon as you get your, paycheck yeah it's like you have to budget that in so you say, oh I, I gave this, this much to church. You give 10.
Speaker 1:If I'm giving 10, it's not a thousand weekly, you know it's not I just I've been blessed so much, like, and I I just like to credit it to tithing. So I don't know, you just give and you're like, wow, holy cow, I'm getting blessed so much. This is like like you obviously just praise to credit it to tithing. Because I don't know, you just give and you're like, wow, holy cow, I'm getting blessed so much. This is like you obviously just praise God for it. And I don't know. I just noticed that I've never lacked, I've always been taken care of.
Speaker 2:Yeah, same there's definitely weeks where my paycheck does come and I wait a couple days. I don't know why.
Speaker 1:It's like I'm almost you actively wait, like you're like, okay, I'm gonna wait to tithe yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2:It's like it's almost. There is some weeks where I would say I am reluctant to give. I still end up doing it, but it's like, for some reason, I just think that by keeping it in there longer I'm gonna have more money yeah and then eventually I'll tithe right before my my paycheck the next day.
Speaker 1:So then I wake up and it's like, oh, no money left.
Speaker 2:Yeah, or something like that. I don't know what my brain's thinking, but there is definitely some weeks where I'm a little more reluctant to I just forget sometimes to do it To me.
Speaker 1:I'm not like on a schedule, I'll get paid and then I might do it right then, and there I might forget. I'm like okay, I didn't tie it and I'll tie it. Yeah, it's usually how it goes for me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, all right well, it's getting kind of late, almost my bedtime. Oh wow, I didn't realize I flew by. I did fly by, so thanks for coming on great conversation. Yes, sir, definitely have to have you on again sometime. Question mark.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I feel like it's easy for us to just talk.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, it's easier when I'm friends with the person or good friends with the person to just sit and talk.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but would you say that it's always interesting conversation?
Speaker 2:With everybody that I've had on here.
Speaker 1:With your friends that you talk to, that you have on. Yes, that's nice.
Speaker 2:And then even the ones that aren't friends are still interesting, but it ends up it's a little bit more interviewee and I don't like those ones, because then there's, so much pressure on me where it's like I have to listen to every word they say and I have to ask a question about what they're saying.
Speaker 1:Yeah, unless you're like interviewee. A person that's like of that has some sort of status, like brennan joseph, right, I said you should. You should like interview like he's really big in ministry in grand rapids, like that would probably be more interviewee yeah, that'd be a little different yeah it'd feel a little different probably than interviewing your co-worker at jets.
Speaker 2:I'm just hypothetically saying person oh wait, none of those kids saved no, I'm just kidding, I don't really know all of them at jets I know some of them, but maybe actually one kid at jets was on here. He was like I think it was my first episodes yeah, first video episode I did, but anyway, any, everybody, thanks for listening and have a blessed week, bye, bye.