012: Intertwining Faith and Medicine: The Gen Z Quest for Spiritual Authenticity and Mental Wellness. With Connor Wiederhold

Join the heartfelt conversation with Connor Widerhold, a pre-med student and aspiring family doctor, who brings an honest and inspiring perspective on intertwining faith with his future medical career. Through our chat, listeners will uncover the challenges and triumphs of maintaining one's Christian values as a member of Gen Z. Connor's journey highlights the power of conviction and the strength it takes to follow a spiritual path in today's fast-paced, often secular society. His story isn't just one of personal growth—it's a beacon for others seeking to navigate their faith among peers and in their professions.

As we explore the new wave of worship led by the energy of Gen Z, you'll discover how initiatives like Claim Your Campus and Enlightened Worship are reshaping the landscape of spiritual gatherings. Delve into a discussion about the balance between theological education and a heartfelt relationship with God, and consider the authenticity of worship in an age dominated by social media presence. This episode isn't just about questioning the status quo; it's about understanding the impact that young, passionate individuals can have in leading their peers towards a meaningful religious experience.

The conversation then takes a compassionate turn towards mental health and its place within faith-based practice, especially in family medicine. Reflecting on the intricacies of blending medical expertise with spiritual compassion, Connor and I dissect the crucial balance between prescribing medication and advocating for lifestyle changes. Our dialogue extends to the cost barriers of therapy and the effects of social media on mental well-being, offering a nuanced view of the challenges faced by both patients and healthcare providers in this domain. By the end of our time together, we hope you'll be left with valuable insights and a renewed appreciation for the intimate connection between faith, health, and the complexities of modern life.

Chapters

• 0:00 Being a Christian in Gen Z
• 9:35 Enlightened Worship
• 19:58 Helping Mental Health in Faith-Based Practice
• 26:01 Mental Health Podcast Discussion

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

Welcome back everybody to the Unhinged Christian Podcast. I have another guest today. Connor, how do you say your last name?

Speaker 2: 0:07

Widerhold.

Speaker 1: 0:08

Widerhold yeah, okay, so tell them a little bit about yourself and what you do.

Speaker 2: 0:13

Yeah. So I go to GRCC right now for pre-medical and I'm planning on going to the Air Force this summer to study cardiopulmonary. So heart and lungs, and eventually it's my dream to be a doctor.

Speaker 1: 0:28

What made you decide to be a doctor?

Speaker 2: 0:30

What gave you that passion? I think just my faith. I know that sounds like really cliche, I don't know. It's just something that I'm like oh God kind of is blessing you with the ability to help people.

Speaker 1: 0:42

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 0:43

And I think it's something that I'm good at, and so it's cool that I can use, like, different tools to actually maybe save people's lives.

Speaker 1: 0:52

Have you done anything in that field on a basic level yet? Or has it just been you're doing the books right now?

Speaker 2: 0:58

Yeah, I'm basically just doing the books. I'm surrounded by people who are becoming doctors. One of my friends is one year out from being a doctor right now, so a DO, which is pretty cool, so I get to hear what he's experiencing and going through.

Speaker 1: 1:11

Has he done anything, such as doing surgery or watching it happen, yet?

Speaker 2: 1:15

Yeah, he's watched him in a couple of surgeries and things like that. That's just something you do when you're in residency and further up.

Speaker 1: 1:23

And is there any fear on your side of when you actually have to do surgery? Or is it like you're ready to do it when it comes.

Speaker 2: 1:30

I mean, I'm not going to be a surgeon, I want to be a family doctor.

Speaker 1: 1:34

What exactly does a family doctor do, just like?

Speaker 2: 1:37

your normal family doctor that you go to Just like a practitioner. Yeah just a normal family. Okay so if I go just for like a checkup, that's kind of your thing? Yeah, that's basically what I do gotcha, okay.

Speaker 1: 1:48

Yep, every time anybody says doctor, I'm always thinking that they're going to be like yeah, er, I don't know why. All right, so now that we know all that, let's get into it. What is it like for you being a christian in gen z?

Speaker 2: 2:00

yeah, I think it's. That's a really difficult question, just because even I'm still figuring it out what it's like to be a Christian in Gen Z. I didn't commit my life until last year of being a Christian, so I'm kind of new to it and figuring things out. Did you grow up as a Christian? Yeah, so I grew up in a Christian household, but it wasn't talked about at all. My grandma was very religious. Yeah, that's about it. My grandma was just the religious one. My parents didn't really talk much about it.

Speaker 1: 2:27

And is there any in school? Is there any pressure for you to fall into any of the things of the world?

Speaker 2: 2:33

Yeah Jeez, especially nowadays. I think it's so easy to just be peer pressured into doing things like drugs and alcohol, especially now, because it's just so accessible and easy to get.

Speaker 1: 2:46

Uh, drugs and alcohol, especially now, because it's just so accessible and easy to get. Yeah, and there's a lot of christians that do that kind of stuff, like they claim they're christian in name only, basically, yeah, and so I think it's hard because when you, oh, they're christian, they're doing it, it's like it's easy to fall back into that kind of stuff.

Speaker 2: 2:59

I mean I'm 30 and it still happens yeah, sometimes you just fall into drinking there. It's very easy because it's right there and you can just do it.

Speaker 1: 3:08

Yeah, well, I don't mean I fall into it frequently. I'm just saying, like there's people my age who are calling themselves Christians and they still are doing the things that they would have done when they were of the world when they were of the world. When they were of the world oh, when they were of the world. Yeah, tell me more about what it's like for you being a Christian at GRCC. Like what can you tell me? Like what your experience is like?

Speaker 2: 3:41

Yeah, I mean I feel like a lot of the time I'm just I'm learning that I need to express my faith and spread the gospel. Going to college, I try to do the best I can to spread the gospel, whether that me being walking up to people and just speaking to them about it openly. And actually in one of my classes it's a lab class, so we're just doing chemistry work and basically there's a person next to me who was just preaching the gospel to someone and he got him to go to church again, which was amazing. It's like so cool.

Speaker 1: 4:06

Is it difficult for you to just go up and approach random people and talk to them about it?

Speaker 2: 4:11

Yeah, I think it's. I think it's really hard. I think it's really scary for a lot of people. It's really scary to just come out of their shell and just walk up to a random person and start preaching the gospel. That's not something that's normal in this world.

Speaker 1: 4:23

No, what does that look like for you when you go up and talk to them?

Speaker 2: 4:27

I mean a lot of the times people don't really like listen, or they'll listen to you and be like, oh okay, cool, but they don't really care. Yeah, they're not mean about it.

Speaker 1: 4:37

I feel like a lot of times Do you ever feel any level of embarrassment when they talk about it that way towards you? Just, I don't care. No, I don't.

Speaker 2: 4:46

I don't get embarrassed. You know, it's my job as a Christian to spread the gospel. So if they say no, then that's their choice.

Speaker 1: 4:53

Yeah, and has anybody ever attacked you for it? No, I don't think so.

Speaker 2: 4:58

I personally have never been attacked. I've I've had friends and family members who have been attacked, but right now I haven't been.

Speaker 1: 5:05

Like physically they've been attacked, or just.

Speaker 2: 5:07

No, like wicked words verbally. Being a Christian Gen Z, it's so important to look at the statistics and facts and I feel like I mean, if you look at it, 4% of Gen Z worldwide is Christian or says that they're Christian Only 4%, 4% worldwide and about 46 to 50% in the US, which is a crazy statistic.

Speaker 1: 5:30

That's almost half.

Speaker 2: 5:31

I mean half in the US, but worldwide too.

Speaker 1: 5:34

But yeah, what is your church life like?

Speaker 2: 5:37

Church life.

Speaker 1: 5:38

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 5:39

I didn't start going to church until almost a year and a half ago. I go with my girlfriend right now and her family, so it's really nice to have that kind of community, but I like my church. I've been to a few churches that I don't really like their sermons or how the pastors speak about the Bible.

Speaker 1: 6:01

What's an example you don't have to give, give names, but what's an example of a sermon that you wouldn't like?

Speaker 2: 6:06

I think just that's. That's a very specific question I mean, it kind of depends what the what they're talking about. But I've, you know, I've heard people like speak about like historical events and then comparing it to now, and that's just something that's I personally don't like. Like there's like a way of going about that that they don't do a good job with.

Speaker 1: 6:27

Historical events that have happened within the last 500 years are the historical events of the Bible.

Speaker 2: 6:33

Like the historical events of worldwide.

Speaker 1: 6:37

They might use World War II for an example or something.

Speaker 2: 6:38

Yeah, something like that Exactly.

Speaker 1: 6:40

Yeah, that is annoying, it's just touchy yeah it's like they are just taking something and putting their idea of what the Bible could mean in it and it's just like not how it's really supposed to be. What's an example of? So? What kind of church do you go to now? What denomination?

Speaker 2: 7:00

I honestly don't, I don't really know. I want to say, I want to say denominational. I go to Orchard Hill. It's on three mile, off of three mile.

Speaker 1: 7:10

Oh, so that's the reformed one.

Speaker 2: 7:12

Is it?

Speaker 1: 7:12

My uh, my buddy goes there. Actually His name's Andy. It's awesome, sarmiento, he does. I don't know. I think he does the sound there.

Speaker 2: 7:20

Oh yeah, is he shorter. Yes, yes, I know Andy.

Speaker 1: 7:25

With the glasses. Yes, yep, that's Andy. That's funny Small world. So what do they teach that you do like?

Speaker 2: 7:33

So they have three pastors. They have a main pastor and then they have two other pastors.

Speaker 1: 7:39

Okay.

Speaker 2: 7:39

And one of them kind of focuses on evangelism. Kind of focuses on evangelism. So she's really vocal about going out in public and doing things or going to people's places for dinner or inviting them, and I think that's really cool because it's important to not only sit in church and listen and read more about the gospel and the Bible, but it's also important to use that and go out and serve God.

Speaker 1: 8:06

Right, and what does the teaching on Sundays? You don't have to give me like a specific example, but a general idea. Is it more like biblically centered, where they take a passage in the Bible and they just preach out of that, or is it more topical, where it's Something like how to get rid of idols in your life or something like that?

Speaker 2: 8:30

Yeah, I think it depends on the pastor that's preaching, but usually we'll do some that are topical, so topic specific, and then we'll also do ones that are very biblical. So we're looking at some Hebrew language and looking at location and connecting it.

Speaker 1: 8:47

Nice, so it's a little bit of a mix of both, yeah, which is really nice. I really like that.

Speaker 2: 8:49

Yeah, I so it's a little bit of a mix of both, yeah, which is really nice, I really like that yeah. I think that's a very good church. Yeah, and I think a lot of the times, pastors have a hard time with being authentic, because I feel like authenticity is so important and in order to have authenticity, you have to be vulnerable.

Speaker 1: 9:06

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: 9:08

By authenticity do you mean struggles of their own life, or yeah, just just struggles of their own life or just other people sharing their struggles. I think is so important because the Bible teaches us, you know, to listen to our elders and to learn from our elders.

Speaker 1: 9:23

Yeah, and it's hard to learn when they don't necessarily act perfect, but it's just like they act, like nothing's going on in their life. They don't really talk much about their life. That does make it difficult. Yeah, you go to these enlightened. What is it a worship night, or is it a gospel presentation?

Speaker 2: 9:43

Yeah, so I go to. They're all over the country. There's this girl by the name of Olivia Williamson. She created CYC. It's called Claim your Campus, so it's an app. Basically, you can go to your high school, create a group and you can go on this app and it'll have like prayer time and it'll have like a little Bible verse that you can talk about, and so she created that. And then she created Enlightened Worship, which is a high school hosted event all across the nation. So there'll be like leaders for it. So you can be nice to do them, call with them and they'll lead you through the mind defend, be like okay, this is what you're gonna do. This is how you're gonna kind of promote it. So, whether it be flyers and things, like that.

Speaker 2: 10:27

and then you have the event and it's all led by high schoolers. They have to basically there's a leader, high school leader, and then they have to collect people like, maybe, band members or worship leaders, and that's something that I was a part of last year. I just did, I was like a prayer leader for the event.

Speaker 1: 10:46

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 10:47

And my girlfriend was a like, the actual like worship, leader of it or leader of the event, and there's another one coming up soon.

Speaker 1: 10:57

So yeah, in april, right, yeah, april 28th at 6 pm now, do any of the people, like the leaders, have a theology degree of some sort?

Speaker 2: 11:07

no, that's the cool thing is it's all gen z ran. That's the point of the worship nights is to just have Gen Z people just leading a worship night and anyone can come, let it be like parents or anything.

Speaker 1: 11:21

Wouldn't it be a little important for somebody there to have some degree of theological knowledge?

Speaker 2: 11:30

I think, because it's not a sermon and it's more of a worship-based event, we don't really need that theology, because it's supposed to be raw, it's supposed to be authentic. Like I was talking about, these are kids that are in Gen Z, being vulnerable and sharing their testimonies and stories and what they're going through. Yeah, I mean where I'm coming from, though Gen Z being vulnerable and sharing their testimonies and stories and what they're going through.

Speaker 1: 11:52

Yeah, I mean. Where I'm coming from, though, is not. I'm not like I don't want to have a huge, massive debate, but when we're talking about our relationship with God and there's the theology, which is the knowledge, yeah, when it comes to me, it's like I think there's problems with going too far both ways, or leaning too far one way. I should say yeah, if you're way too theological but there's no relationship, it's like what are we doing? Because then it's just knowledge, but if we're way too relationship, it's like we can't have a relationship with someone that we don't understand, and that's where I think the study of god and having like a little bit of a theological background is important. You say it's just a with someone that we don't understand, and that's where I think the study of God and having like a little bit of a theological background is important. You say it's just worship, which is different, because they're not preaching a sermon. Okay, that's fine, but worship is still a very important part of our Christian walk.

Speaker 2: 12:45

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 12:46

And I do think that they would be helpful if someone there had something of some type of knowledge.

Speaker 2: 12:54

Yeah, or like what kind of knowledge are you talking about? Like a degree in something? Because all these kids attend church and they have like different theology groups, like Bible studies, and so that they're a part of.

Speaker 1: 13:09

Yeah, I mean, as long as I don't. I don't really know because I don't have a theological degree myself, so I don't know how important it really is for worship leaders to have a theological degree. But I think when there's some knowledge of because it's hard there in high school, so they're not going to have a seminar class for high schoolers that's where it's difficult. So that's where I'm. That's why I started this podcast, as I'm still on that journey of is it important for worship leaders to have a theological degree. Okay, and so that's. I'm just asking your opinion because in my opinion, I think that it is because I've seen a lot of worship leaders. It's like, why is this eighth grader leading high schoolers in worship? It's like I get that they have the relationship with God and they've grown up Christian, but it's like, do they really understand? God is where I'm coming from. Yeah, because just because it's an experience doesn't mean that it's actually God.

Speaker 2: 14:11

Yeah, that's true, because your emotions might just be tied to the world and not God. Does that make sense?

Speaker 1: 14:18

Exactly, I don't know. That's a really hard question.

Speaker 2: 14:20

I know that's really difficult to figure out.

Speaker 1: 14:23

It is.

Speaker 2: 14:24

But I mean personally, just like I believe that you know, know you can worship God anywhere and no matter who you are, and you don't necessarily have to have all this knowledge about God in order to worship him. I think a lot of these events are just so that people are like, oh well, this is kind of who God is and this is kind of what it feels like to worship God, and it's's kind of their choice to be like well, do I want to continue with this? Do I want to maybe try to go to church or go to different Bible studies at maybe even my college or in this high school? Yeah, so it's not meant to be like a teaching, it's kind of meant to be evangelism, essentially.

Speaker 1: 15:10

And what is your best like? What do you think is the is a good way to go about evangelizing? Because we can do the soft approach, where it's like we're not giving you a lot. But then what happens if somebody goes to that and then thinks, okay, I'm going to figure out Christianity. But then they get to it and then there's all this mention of sin and they start reading the Bible in depth and there's some pretty weird stuff in the Bible of the Old Testament if it's not taught properly. And that's where the soft approach I think can go wrong.

Speaker 1: 15:47

Because it's attractive, because I've been to worship nights. It's great, it's, it's fun, it's sometimes the music is catchy, the people are friendly Okay, that's awesome. But then it's like when you actually start to get deeper into Christianity, it gets hard to continue to pursue it. Now you know there's the opposite, because I think the opposite of crazy is still crazy where there's the sign, people with the signs that are like if you don't repent today, you're going to hell. It's like that's not necessarily attractive either, because they're not really. When we read about Jesus in the Bible, he fixes people's physical needs and then he tells them to not sin. So what does it look like at these enlightened things with the evangelism. Is there any mention of repentance or is it just worship night and then if you want to check out Christianity, you can later.

Speaker 2: 16:40

Yeah, I've been to four of them, or I will be to four of them. I've been to three of them, led two of them or, like, helped to lead two of them, and so I don't have total experience in it. But I know it's not about repenting, it's not about well, like he'll forgive you for your sins, or stuff like that. It's just, um, it's just strictly a worship night, and then at the end of it.

Speaker 2: 17:04

You know, like they say how you can even come up to us and speak to us if you want to and learn more about it, kind of a thing. Yeah, what's your next step? Cool, yeah, which I?

Speaker 1: 17:16

I like you know that's very nice, and how long are they usually?

Speaker 2: 17:20

yeah, they're usually an hour and a half. I really the next one coming up. I really want it to be something, something huge, something big, because last year there was 200 people that came and I'm hoping that there'll be a lot more, maybe even double. But it's hard to get the word out there, especially when there's so many non-believers or people that would rather prioritize other things over it.

Speaker 1: 17:42

Yeah, and you said it is for people who are even older than high school.

Speaker 2: 17:46

Like if I, a 30 year old, showed up, what I'd be weird. A 70 year old could show up. Yeah, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 1: 17:52

How often do older people show up all the time? Because I definitely want to check one out.

Speaker 2: 17:56

I don't want to sit here and no, all the time older people show up. At the last one there was probably, like I'd say, eight or nine adults there well.

Speaker 1: 18:05

Are they parents of the high schoolers or are they just like some?

Speaker 2: 18:08

of them are just just adults from the community.

Speaker 1: 18:11

All right, I'll have to check one out then. Yeah, it's April 24th, right?

Speaker 2: 18:15

April 28th, 6 pm at Byron Center High School.

Speaker 1: 18:18

Okay, I'm hoping to get this one out before that so people can know yeah, so April 28th, 6 pm. Yep, byron Center High School. Yeah, in Byron Center, obviously. Yeah, and they have an Instagram as well. It's Enlightened Students. Enlightened Students is the name of the Instagram. Yeah, any spaces? Nope. Okay, let's go back to you being a family doctor. Is there any interest in helping with mental health?

Speaker 2: 18:44

Yeah, I'd say I have a huge interest. I think as a child I wanted to be a therapist. I still want to be a therapist. It's just something that isn't going to work out for me.

Speaker 1: 18:53

Why is it not going to work out?

Speaker 2: 18:56

I just really I don't know. I just don't want to be a therapist, I think I just want to help people in another way. I feel like as a doctor, I can help people not only physically but also mentally. But I want to do a lot of research in the mental health area, especially with Gen Z, I think. Just like mental health issues are such a huge, huge deal nowadays and, I think, connecting to the Bible, a lot of people think that a lot of illnesses or mental health is because of God, or like if God was so perfect, if God was so amazing, then why did he give me, you know, these struggles? And I think that's a very common topic and common debate.

Speaker 1: 19:35

Oh yeah, trust me, it's hugely common. I mean that that little clip of Logan talking about bad things happening was just like big on YouTube, at least for this small channel and tons of comments. It's like why bad things happen, cause I don't personally think that God gives people depression or anxiety. I think it's a result of living in a fallen world. Yeah, but how would you go about helping people as a family doctor with mental health, as opposed to being a therapist? Yeah, I.

Speaker 2: 20:06

I think it's going to be so hard in my field one day to, because I'm going to be. You know, I'm very faithful in my faith, but it's not something that I can share when I'm helping people, which is really hard. So I kind of have to learn to help people with the way that I speak and the way that I just show myself, if that makes sense.

Speaker 1: 20:32

Yeah, showing like the joy of the Lord.

Speaker 2: 20:34

Yeah, exactly without actually speaking it, which is hard, and it's very hard to do. It's something I'm going to have to get used to.

Speaker 1: 20:42

But what would you give them to help them with their mental health? Is there physical things that they would be able to do to help them, or would you just give them some type of medication?

Speaker 2: 20:57

I think, personally, I'd stay away from medication. I've been on medication. I know how it feels. You can you?

Speaker 1: 21:00

know I can mess you up, yeah me too.

Speaker 2: 21:00

Yeah, they can mess you up and I feel like it's. A lot of people know that doctors prescribe these things because they can or because they just want extra money, and that's that's, and that's something that sucks, but I would personally just try to get them into therapy, like a psychiatrist or something. I think that's the first route to everything, but it's so hard nowadays because therapy is so expensive. Yes, it is A lot of people don't go to therapy because it's so expensive. I think that's just so bad. It's a huge issue right now.

Speaker 1: 21:34

I think too is now. I want to start this off by saying that, yes, I do think that mental health is sometimes actually problems with the brain. Yeah, I'm not going to tell anybody to get off medication, yes, but I think that a lot of times it can be come down to our diet. It can be you're not getting enough sunlight, You're not exercising enough. I think, especially with Gen Z and even millennials a little bit being on your phone, so much is a mental health killer.

Speaker 2: 22:05

Yeah, I think social media is so impactful in so many ways. It's so bad.

Speaker 2: 22:11

Yeah, it's, you're comparing, also just sitting on your phone, you're not doing anything yeah, and I think gen z is kind of looking at that, and I mean, from my point of view, being gen z and being surrounded by people that are gen z, not christian, or are christian, and so many of them preach or so are so adamant on making, like I was previously saying, like being authentic, like making an authentic instagram or social media platform, because a lot of social media is polished, it's you know, you can.

Speaker 2: 22:44

You can take it polish, and this is what I want to be viewed as. Or this is what I want to like, but want people to see me as and I feel like now Gen Z is trying to like show that this is my authentic self, this is who I am, this is what I'm doing, and I think that's that's really cool, that they're trying to do that or push that more.

Speaker 1: 23:05

Yeah, Like showing the the bad sides of their life.

Speaker 2: 23:10

Yeah, exactly yeah.

Speaker 1: 23:12

Is there any videos of people like crying and stuff? Is that what they do? Cause I don't really see. Yeah, I mean, I guess I could say I'm not really on social media a lot. I'll go on and post a reel just to help promote the podcast, but then I'll delete it, because I just don't like being not delete the post but I'll delete my app.

Speaker 2: 23:29

Yeah, Not delete the post, but I'll delete my app. Yeah, that makes sense. I think that. Yeah, I agree with you on that.

Speaker 1: 23:34

But how do people show their like? What is it that they do to show their authentic self?

Speaker 2: 23:39

Yeah, I guess who they are as a person depending on what they believe in. A lot of my Christian friends aren't afraid to post things about God and about Jesus, whether that be them speaking to a camera and just talking about some Bible studies they've done or the gospel, and even people like other worship nights, just like they have videographers for it and they'll just show like raw footage of them worshiping.

Speaker 1: 24:09

Do you ever think that camera, people and stuff kind of get in the way of authentic worship? I understand the reason why we have it, but at the same time it's because I used to play at a big church and I'd be on stage and it'd be like somebody up my face with a camera and it was just really annoying for me because it takes away from people viewing you. Viewing me and you worshiping God.

Speaker 1: 24:34

Yeah, and for me it kind of takes away almost the authenticity. Yeah, what if they weren't there? Are we still going to worship the same way, or are we just hyping it up, or doing. Or am I just raising my hands because there's a camera? Exactly so. Do you think that it ever can take away from the authentic worship in a way?

Speaker 2: 24:55

I think absolutely. It can take away from authenticity of it. I've seen people like next to me, they'll look at the camera and then they'll put their hands up or they'll like bow their head down or things like that. Yeah, so it's true, it happens. But I also think that I feel like we need people to be videographers because we need to show the world what is going on.

Speaker 1: 25:16

Yeah, it's kind of a win lose You're going to have it's something you have to do.

Speaker 2: 25:19

It's something that's like social media exists and it's going to exist forever. Yeah, there's nothing we can do about it.

Speaker 1: 25:25

And if we and if we have the platform, we might as well.

Speaker 2: 25:29

Yeah, cause some of the people have come to Christ just through social media.

Speaker 1: 25:32

Yeah, cause they can look it up. People are curious about the truth. They don't know what it is. Maybe there's a bad church in their town and they don't know what to do. Or maybe they're scared to go to church at that point because they're afraid they don't know anything, and then that way, yeah, I think social media has been helpful there unhelpful. There is some good that comes out of it.

Speaker 2: 25:54

It's really like a win-lose thing there's going to be the bad, but then there's also the good, it's true yeah, I agree with that sweet.

Speaker 1: 26:01

Well, do you have anything else to say about the mental health? Otherwise we can we can end this podcast. We're at about 30 minutes, so that's a good that was 30 minutes. Yeah, that's crazy you surprised?

Speaker 2: 26:12

yes, what have you been talking about?

Speaker 1: 26:15

all sorts of stuff. It happens, it just goes. What's that?

Speaker 2: 26:19

what's what?

Speaker 1: 26:21

that is my. I write down each day what I practice on my base that's cool.

Speaker 2: 26:27

Do you have anything to talk? About not really me neither all right.

Speaker 1: 26:32

Well, connor, thank you so much for coming on, and I hope to see you again on here and have a blessed week.

Speaker 2: 26:38

Thank you so much, you too.

Speaker 1: 26:39

Thank you.