007: The Effects Of Birth Control On Women

Jonah V. is back on the podcast to discuss the effects that hormonal birth control can have on women. 

Transcript

 A couple years back, my mom told me about this guy she went to high school with. He says he really likes a girl with a clavicle you can stand on. I don't know what that means.

Incredible. Thank you, thank you. , so how's it going, Caleb? Really, really good. Good, good. I,  I've been doing some research. By the way, in case you haven't forgotten my name, any listeners out there, you're like, man, what are these dulcet tones tickling my ears? Well, it's Jonah, you know, me. Great use of the soundboard, my friend.

, so at the end of the last episode, I  teased, , going over , the pharmacological effects of birth control on women. .  I just , , started doing research. This is something that I heard about a long time ago. , just months ago. and I wasn't really sure , the water that it held.

I wasn't sure how accurate it was. So I decided to do my own research. And, , it was New York Times that published the article. And I read it and I screenshot it before it kicked me out and said that I had to pay for it. ,  now the FBI is going to kick in the door to the studio, but, , let me pull that up here.

Alrighty, so where did you want me to begin with this? Do you want me to just begin with the origins of birth control or go into the effects of it just right off the bat? 

Let's go into the effects of it right off the 

bat. Okay. . , when I say birth control, I'm really referring to oral contraceptives.

, As in the pill? Yeah, the pill. ,  given to you by your doctor, given a prescription by your doctor. , which I'll get into as well, how that's starting to change.  Let me start off with the beginning of the experiment that they came to these conclusions and they found out, , , , what these effects were.

Now this experiment that I'm going to talk about, , I'll call it the T shirt experiment. , this was not meant to call out birth control, but the result ended up calling out birth control. , in this article,  , this bit that I screenshotted, it's... Just mentioned in passing and it's a pretty disturbing thing to just mention in passing.

 What this experiment consisted of, it was conducted in 1998, a group of men were given a plain white t shirt to wear at night, , while they slept. They were to not wash the shirt, or use,  any sort of scents, cologne, deodorant, over a, the course of a few days, I think it was like three days. , and a random selection of women.

would smell the shirts to see which ones they were attracted to just based on scent alone. So it was a pretty primal experiment that they conducted. , just based on, , scent and , what humans can draw from , just on scent. It's pretty interesting. , and the article reads, That women who are not taking oral contraceptives and who are dissimilar to a particular male's, , hormones perceive his odor as more pleasant than women whose hormones And traits are more similar, the test, , to, to the test of the man.

 What that really means is the women were more attracted to the men who were dissimilar from them. And the result of that being their children would be, , genetically sound, if you will, genetically pure, not to sound like a total Aryan over here, but, , they would be more genetically pure. They would have better immune systems.

They would have better genetics. They would just be. 

This is the belief, right?  They wouldn't actually be genetically pure. This is just how they felt. 

Or is the, , no, this is, this is what would, what would actually happen ,  when you have a child with someone, , who is dissimilar to you, it's kind of like inbreeding, you know, how inbreeding you're too similar and your child will come out with a bunch of , issues, let's say such as incest, such as incest.

Yeah. . . , That's like you are so similar that the child is gonna have some major issues

But this is more of a micro example.  Your immune system is Similar to that of a particular woman your child's immune system is probably gonna be a little bit compromised Not major. I mean a common cold is probably not gonna kill your child, but it will be You know significant enough.

  These women who are not taking oral contraceptives found the t shirts of the men they were attracted to. Let me restart that. , women who are not taking oral contraceptives were attracted to men that they were dissimilar from.  They would be naturally attracted to the most productive mate.

Is a way to say it. . , but   the odors of men with  dissimilar hormone levels, , and,  traits reminded the women of their own mates or former mates twice as often as the odors of men with similar M H C. However, if a woman was taking oral contraceptives, which partly mimic pregnancy, this predilection.

Was reserved and they gave higher ratings to men with similar MHC So they gave higher ratings to the men who are disadvantageous to mate with 

so the ones that would be more 

like them Yes 

Does that mean they were more? Feminized men that they were into or 

no  not necessarily It was just that they were not These women without knowing it when they were on oral contraceptives We're acting in a way that is deliberately disadvantageous to their offspring.

Because their body thinks that they're carrying a 

child. Correct. Partly,, , , the contraceptives partly mimic pregnancy. Gotcha. , that's... That's pretty crazy. That's, that's interesting. And, , it's no wonder... That, to put this into perspective, and to put this into words that are, , easier to comprehend without all this medical jargon and big words and stuff like that.

It's, women are on contraceptives and getting into men that they may not even necessarily like.  It's no reason, it's no wonder, pardon, that the divorce rate is as high as it is. It's about 50%, a little over 50% nowadays and,, the theory behind this, , , I didn't come up with this theory.

This was the theory that I, , heard about months ago. Pertaining to this study is that when a woman is on ,  contraceptives and they make a poor mate decision, let's say. As a result, proven by this study. They won't really realize it until they're off the pill, right? ,, they're dating, , they get married for a while, and they,  decide to have kids later on down the road.

So she's off the pill. And she gets pregnant. , when you're on the pill, your hormones are,  pretty high. Because it's simulating pregnancy. and you're off the pill, they drop, you get pregnant, they go high again. So you're already having fluctuation and that's going to affect you mentally, emotionally.

 Contraceptives are already, they already exacerbate, , neuroticism, anxiety, and depression in women who are already prone to high levels of negative emotion, which women in general are prone to high levels of negative emotion. Right.  , when they're on, ,  these contraceptives, those levels of negative emotion are exacerbated.

, especially neuroticism, which is,  anxiety, , social anxiety, depression. Things like that. and contraceptives can make that much worse. And, ,

so, when you, pair a woman with a man that she's not necessarily suited for, she goes through these huge hormonal, changes. She's gonna have the kid and realize that she married a loser, , essentially. Ouch. Yeah. And all because she was,  on this pill. Now I'm not, what I'm not saying is, I don't think, I don't have any reason or evidence to believe that contraceptives are made by, , big contraceptive, , they're,  going out, out of their way to make women miserable and make them make bad decisions.

It's just an effect that people need to be aware of and that's not really being talked about very much. 

I do have a question about just a little bit ago, if she's on the pill and then she's off it when they're trying to have a child. Wouldn't she realize that she's with a so called loser while she's off the pill before they have the child, 

, I would, I thought so too, and I tried doing research on this., I couldn't find much,  on it. , but there are a couple of practical, as well as, , pharmacological reasons that she wouldn't notice. It could take a while. To become pregnant, and what you're saying is in that time, how can she not realize that, , she might be with a loser.

 , which, I get that, , but at the same time, that might, you know, that pregnancy might happen right away. You know, you don't really, you don't really know. , but I do know that your hormones take a while to adjust. , After, , coming down off of, , coming down, it sounds like I'm talking about it like a drug, , coming off of contraceptives and things that kind of edit your hormones a little bit, kind of mess with them, mess with their levels.

, so within that time, When you're crashing, , I don't know, just kind of thinking about it off the top of my head. If, say, say a woman is prone to neuroticism, and she's on these, ,  pills that can make it worse. When she gets off the pills, and her hormones start to, , balance out a little bit, pharmacologically, she's gonna start feeling better.

Because she's not on this drug that exacerbates her negative emotion. That could have an effect on how she views her partner? I don't know. But , that is a good question. , and something that , I can try to do more research on it. I can see if they said anything about that in my AP Psychology book.

, but no, that is, that is a good question.  Why don't they notice it sooner? , why does it take  having a kid? Sometimes it doesn't take having a kid. Sometimes they're like, oh, , we're married and ready to have a kid. Oh, crap, you're a loser. You know what I mean?

Yeah.

But, , , that's pretty much,  it on the, , pharmacological, , effects of it. , it affects your levels of negative emotion. You are, you become prone to being attracted to men who are bad for you. and disadvantageous to mate with, but like I said, speaking in this way, this is a purely  biological kind of cold and calculating way to think about things.

Yeah. Right. Right. , it makes human beings sound like we're nothing more than just a bunch of cells and hormones clumped together and you know, we have no soul. , which I don't agree with by any means at all. I think we can gather that from. , my last podcast too. That's definitely not true. It's just an interesting thing that you might be more prone to be attracted to someone who could be disadvantageous to you when you're taking a pill that messes with your hormones.

That is 

crazy. Yeah. Yeah. Pretty interesting. I, I, I heard about that. And, , I immediately wanted to do more research on it because I wanted to see if there were any other experiments done on this front. And there really haven't been that I've seen, , but , I definitely, I could be wrong about that. If someone fact checks me on that, I am open to, criticism.

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, I did have , some other things on birth control. Just a few small points that I feel is important to touch on. July 13th of this year, July 13th, 2023, the FDA approved the first over the counter oral contraceptive, and it will not have an age restriction.

That's not good news. That's really bad news. , yeah, , that's really not good news. That is bad news, in fact. , and here's why it's bad news. If... our listeners can, , hop into this hypothetical situation with me say you've got a daughter right around, I don't know, 12 to 15, right around puberty, , female puberty happens from right around.

It starts right around age 12 and ends 15 to 16. , during that time, women exhibit some behavior that is not conducive to their own flourishing. And I'm not saying that as a knock on women by any means. It's just something that happens. , their levels of negative emotion skyrocket, and that's why you see self image issues.

, anorexia and bulimia go through the roof right around that age. , and that can be behavior that's, , really hard to kick and you could be an adult and still struggling with that thing.  Right around that age 

without the... 

Yeah, yeah. I'm just talking in general , girls who go through, through puberty and over half of teens in the U.

S. by the age of 16 have been sexually active. So you take a, a girl who's already going through some stuff, , mentally with her image, maybe make, not making the best decisions. and you give her the option Edit her hormones and mess with them enough to, , , act as a contraceptive and then she can go around having sex.

She doesn't need anything from her doctor. , this practically already existed, man. , you can go to Planned Parenthood and get contraceptives. . Ridiculous, , but this one from the FDA will not have an age restriction at all  your 13 year old daughter if she's feeling a little deviant, , that's usually around like the screw you dad phase I call it She's like I just want to make my dad mad.

, that's that's usually around,  puberty Maybe a little later in puberty, maybe just after , and that's usually when they'll start becoming sexually active so Instead of, , going through your parents, talking to your doctor, your parents will be able to shut that down easily.

, having an age restriction and talking to your doctor about it. That's someone else to like, yeah, you're making bad decisions. I wouldn't do this. Talk to your parents, talk to a counselor. 

 Do you know if doctors in general would advise not to take it that young because it's FDA approved So who's behind that?

 

 That's a great question. Who's behind that  who came out with this who sponsored this? But I get what you're saying. Like what doctors advise against it. I'm pretty cynical when it comes to the medical industry I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna sugarcoat it. I don't think a doctor would stop that fair enough.

 I mean if a doctor, have you heard of the girl, this is a bit of a rabbit hole, have you heard of the girl, a girl named Chloe Cole? No she believed she was transgender, and... At the age of 15, got a double vasectomy. That's right around the end of puberty when she started developing breasts, so she completely removed the tissue, completely eradicating breast, , , her breast buds, essentially.

, she wouldn't develop, , in her chest. She took male hormones. Her bone structure changed, and her voice changed, and it's forever gonna be different. , she was permanently altered at the age of 15, and her doctor didn't do anything. She walked into her doctor's office and said, , Hey doctor, , I think I'm transgender.

I think I'm actually a boy. Doctor didn't ask any questions, didn't recommend a psychologist, didn't recommend getting into anything deeper with her, and just said, Perfect. Let's talk to your parents, and get you transitioned. 

 Here's a good question, cause we actually discussed this topic, , with all the guys.

About two weeks ago. Should children be able to make that decision before they're 18 because they have to have their parents consent. I think that's what we were, that's what we were all told to be when we were all sitting around the round table. We were told that it was , if they're before 18, they have to have the parents consent.

So do you think that should be a law or should children have to wait till they're 18 to make 

that decision? . Are, are you asking if children should be able to transition if their parents say that they're okay with it? Absolutely not. You think, you 

think that the child should have to wait until they're at least 18?

No matter if there's parent consent or not. 

, if I'm completely honest, I don't think it should happen at all because it's not  , conducive to their flourishing or the flourishing of society. But, in this hypothetical situation, yeah, wait till 18. Yeah. They should not be able to transition any younger than that because kids, no offense, I know some of our listeners have , kids are stupid, they are, , kids, , want ice cream for every meal of the day, and it takes a parent to say, no, that's not good for you now, and it's not going to be good for you in the future, we need to actually eat healthy things, and sometimes you have to do things you don't really want to do in order to be conducive to your own flourishing.

And parents need to be the bigger man and stand up to their kids and say things like that, but unfortunately that's happening less and less. So if, if a parent, by the way, , this is interesting. It's not the kids making this decision.  When a parent comes out and says, , my three to five year old is pansexual or gay or transgender.

That's the parent pushing things on their children because a child doesn't even know the definition of pansexual. A child doesn't even know the definition of gay. He's like, well, he, my, my boy never really liked playing with. , dump trucks, and he never really liked the color blue. And that's when you have to dive into personality.

, it's funny because all these doctors and these psychologists, , they have to affirm , these kids and these people saying , Oh, , you think you're the opposite gender, well, ... You must be right because in all of my years of, , college and learning about psychology and all my years in university and my bloody PhD for goodness sake, yeah, you're definitely right.

Your feelings matter more than, , everything that I've learned. So let's get you transitioned. Meanwhile, completely forgetting about personality because that's the basis of all psychology is personality. You have feminine men and you have masculine women. It doesn't mean you're the wrong gender. It means you have a personality.

Right. 

But I think with, , comfort culture and basing things all off of feelings these days, I think that's where it kind of 

stems from. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. We're, we're, we're so far down this slippery slope that, , look behind you, there's the slope type of deal. It happens so fast. , but no, I don't believe, , children should be able to transition.

But the reason I brought that up is because... The pharmaceutical industry and the medical industry is so quick to put people on drugs. , they really don't ask a second question. , so I don't think that they would say no to birth control to a 13 year old girl. I really don't, because when I was, I think I was like 18 or 19 or something, I think I was 19, and I went into my doctor, and I'm like, hi, , I'm, I'm depressed.

Do you have something for that? Mind you, I was depressed because I was making some horrible decisions in my life that was making me depressed. , I was not being a good person. , I was really bad at being a good person. And I was doing things that was, that were not conducive to my flourishing or the flourishing of others and I was Sleeping in the bed that I made and I didn't know how to pull myself out of it So I thought pills so I came to my doctor and I said, I'm depressed.

What can we do for that? Didn't recommend me to a psychologist didn't ask me any further questions. He said, okay Let's start you on this and within a half hour prescription filled and I was on that drug 

 As long as it means money, I don't think they generally 

care exactly. It's a yeah. 

 Nowadays there's A genetic disorder for obesity that you have to take a pill to get rid of your excess weight.

What? Yeah. I have not heard about that. , I 

, it's made up. Yeah. It's not real. No, I haven't. It's just that's where we're going because it just gives money. , , there's no genetic disorder that forces you to take in more calories. Correct. But that's... But they'll sell you on it. 

They will.

Anything to remove responsibility from a human being. Yep.  Yeah, that's, I, I see that in a lot of different ways in society nowadays is just removing responsibility, blaming it on, , you make a bad decision, for, for instance, , there was a,  lawmaker, I think in New Hampshire, New Jersey, who was just arrested for being a pedophile, and they dive into his past, and they see, he called in a bomb threat to a hospital, And the media took this story and was like, , he has a mental illness.

There's no telling what kind of goofy things you might, I think they said the word goofy, they said the word goofy. You can do some pretty goofy things when you have mental illness. And I'm like, yeah, when I think of goofy, I don't think of calling in a bomb threat to a hospital. but they just, they were just like, he, it's mental illness.

This is like untreated mental illness. And I'm like, listen, I don't know what kind of, I don't know what you think mental illness is. But you can still control your actions when you're mentally ill. Obviously, there's like schizophrenia. That's a big one where you can't really control what you see. You know, you might have hallucinations.

You might hear voices in your head. , but there's not a mental illness around that forces you against your will to make a bomb threat to a hospital. Just like there's nothing around that makes you gain, , take in calories and gain weight. 

But that's the world we live in today. 

That's right. Clown world Hong Kong.

, I don't think there's anything else on this on, , birth control other than it's sketchy that we're walking down the pathway of, , not needing a prescription for it. , that's very sketchy, especially with neurotic young girls. All right. So do 

we want to transition to the next 

topic? Sure. . All right, here we go.

That was beautiful. I like that. Did you add that one too? No, I came with it. Oh, okay. yeah. The next topic is, , responsibility. And, , we were talking about this before we started recording, is I said that people want responsibility and people want purpose. And responsibility comes with purpose.

You have a purpose. Your responsibility is to fulfill it. but we were talking about it in the context of church, , how some churches just, they don't give responsibility to their members and convict them and call them to be more. Yeah. That's not challenging enough. Right. Right. 

Especially for men. When you want strong men in your church, you have to give challenging and convicting messages because complacency is a man's biggest killer.

Yes. And when he's not aware of sin or whatever is bringing him down in life, he's just going to come get complacent and that weakens them. 

Yeah. , I don't like churches that, , they talk about sin in the abstract. They say , Oh, it's, it's, it's out there just, but , we don't bring that in here.

We just, it's out there. We acknowledge it. You should know about it. We don't really talk about it here. They talk about it like it's, , I don't know, like it's some sort of theory rather than a real thing. But I do like churches that call it out, talk about it directly. Use the good, the bad, the ugly language, and, , really tell people what's going on.

, our church does that on the matter of cultural issues today. , transgenderism is a big thing. And I need to say that, behind the pulpit at my church, it is not a..., my pastors are not political pundits. They don't get political, necessarily. Behind the pulpit, they talk about matters of public, which public and political are technically synonymous, but they don't, , start shilling for presidential candidates.

So they don't start, , shilling for legislation. They acknowledge. The fallen nature of the world and the society that we live in and discuss it. And that's really all that needs to happen. But so many people are so cowardice and don't even want to touch it with a 10 foot pole. 

it goes back to , the comfort culture that we live in.

Yeah. We're like too scared to rock the boat and push against 

anything. Yeah. And that, that is one thing that I've heard as an argument with, , masculinity. Is that, , what's wrong with that? We live in such a comfortable society, , there's not a war going on in the United States. , I just don't see why we need, , strong, just this brawn of, of men.

And, , to that I say, we may not need it at the moment, but when we do need it, because that time will come. , crisis comes to everyone at some point. In their life, crisis comes to people in groups at some point in their lives, and we're gonna need those strong men to carry us through crisis. And the best thing you can do for yourself is to become one.

Yeah, there's that saying it's better to be a warrior in a garden than a gardener 

in war. Correct. Correct. That's very good. Yeah. Yeah. It's better to, , have it and not need it than to need it and not have it. , but that kind of,, that takes me into responsibility and purpose. , the reason I was so depressed for a while, I was suicidal actually.

, looking back on it, it was because I was purposeless, but I didn't see that at the time. . I saw myself as a victim and wanted to be,  sorry for myself because that's way easier than... Taking up the gauntlet and fighting. , it may be easier, but it makes you miserable.  I actually went to my pastor, and it wasn't even about purpose.

We weren't even talking about purpose. I went to him because I said I wanted to get married one day. And to do that, I need to know what my inadequacies are so I can fix them. So I literally went to him and said, Tell me my inadequacies. Hold up a mirror to my face and let me see what I need to fix. And he was like, How about purpose?

Do you have a purpose? I'm like that's a big question. Do I have a purpose? I think I do. I do, because I was created. So I do have one. , he's like, do you know what it is? And I'm like,, I don't. So he gave me two books, one of which, A Purpose Driven Life, which By Rick Warren! 

Which unfortunately he did get kicked out of the Southern Baptist Convention, but that's a story for 

a different day.

He did. , he said some very incorrect things, , just a couple years ago. And, , A lot of people didn't like that, including me, , but , the book itself set aside political differences. The book itself is great. It's a good book. , I actually conducted a study on it with a couple of guys from my church.

, we just  got together, went through it. I wrote out question sheets and we went through the book and , the whole book is very good, but within the, like the last couple of chapters really  solidifies it. Like it gives you something like, okay.  Reading through all the previous chapters, I've come to a conclusion of the things that I'm good at and things that I can use for the glory of God.

And then the last couple chapters...

 It's kind of, in one way, a guidebook kind of helps, it  helps you recognize the things that you're good at, whether it be talents, gifts, and then teaches you how to go about 

pursuing those. Yeah, that book is a real, , it's a focus lens on life. , it's not a self help book because , it goes into like the whole thing that Paul said, like we all have thorns in the flesh and some of them we can't get rid of.

And we need to use those things for our purpose and for God's glory. So it's, I wouldn't say it's a self help book. It's more of a helps you put your life in perspective. , which I found very helpful. The second book was Hero on a Mission by Donald Miller. That one wasn't bad. It was more self helpy.

It was not from a Christian perspective. And. It got political here and there. It wasn't a terrible book. I think a purpose driven life helped me a little bit more. One thing about, , Hero on a Mission, though, that I really did like, is that one of the exercises in that book is to write out your obituary of who you are now, who you want to become, and live your life as though you're fulfilling it, which is pretty interesting.

, it's a little morbid, and you're not literally,  writing your obituary. You're just... Writing out what you would want it to be. What would want to be said 

about you at your funeral? 

Exactly. The character that you want to be. And that's something that my pastor said about me too, is he said a lot of guys are focused,  on their work, on their career and things like that.

But , he noticed in me a very acute focus on character. And the character that I want to be. , so that, that was pretty encouraging cause I, I do strive for that. ,  those two books really put things in perspective. I found my purpose and  it was before that, that I really  conquered my depression because I was.

I was behaving in a way that is not Christian. I was not living a Christian life at all. , I was what I call a cry no Christian and name only. , I wasn't living like it at all. And I took a look at my life and was like, I need to stop. , I need to stop doing this. I actually need to crack down on myself, discipline myself and work hard to become.

The opposite of who I was so that was when I things started turning around and things really turned around when I read Those books and got into them and realized that I need responsibility Everyone needs responsibility and that's something that people shy away from because they think they don't want responsibility Yeah, cuz it's work.

It's work. I don't want work. Yeah, exactly. They don't want they feel they don't think they want work 

right, right and the best example I can use for this is just like a glass, like that mason jar on the table right there. That glass is meant for holding liquid, beverage, whatever. And say you, , you take that glass and just flip it upside down, everything spills out, and you say to that glass, Alright, that's who you are now.

And it's good that you're like this. It's good that you're tipped over and  broken. , it's brave and beautiful actually. And that glass is not going to be fulfilled in its life because you've just completely upended its purpose. And humans are like that too. , when you tell women, this is fitting because, , the Barbie movie just came out.

, ,  the purpose of women are to Bear and nurture children to be family holders and , what, like, is there a better job than that? You really get to raise up another generation of human beings in the way that they should go with the help of your husband and You know making a family making a legacy something that will last your job is not gonna last, you know when you're on your deathbed You're gonna want the ones you love and your family around you You're not going to want your promotion around you.

You're not going to want your diploma around you. You're not going to want your trophies around you. You're going to want people, because people matter, and human beings are social beings. , women, , they're beautifully designed to be mothers and to nurture children. And good gravy. , they're wired for it.

If you ever see a woman who's just given birth, , that baby doesn't necessarily look pretty. , but she, she, she reaches, she reaches out for it and she wants to hold it and have a connection with it. And that's something that men naturally don't have. They look like aliens. They're scary. The baby.

Yes. Yeah. Yes. Not the men. , there, there was a video that I saw recently of these two gay men adopting a baby, , who they had via surrogacy from just a stranger, a woman. And there's a couple things about this video that disturbed me. The first was that when the nurse brought this baby, just born into the world, to these two guys, you could tell that they had no idea what to do.

One of them, the more feminine, was very excited and got kind of emotional. The more masculine one stood there, looking at the baby that was being held by the nurse, mind you, just... Hands in his pockets, looking at it, didn't go out to touch it, didn't go out to hold it, didn't go out to, , give it affection, had no idea what to do.

He didn't pick it up until the nurse literally shoved it, shoved the baby into this guy's arms. So that was the first thing that disturbed me was, well, they're, men and women are definitely not the same and you can see it most evidently in that video, with a woman nurse holding the baby and then the man not wanting to.

Really interesting. , but the second part to that that's very sad is how's the mother doing? Where's the mother? She's bleeding in the next hospital room and no one caress about her because she was used as a transaction. She was used as a, a, a transactional, , a transactional piece in these guys' lives because they want a baby, but they don't want a baby.

They, they don't want one enough to, , have one of their own. , they'd rather buy it like a Louis Vuitton bag. , to have almost like as an accessory and, , people are gonna say, , that's a little harsh. You don't know their intentions. , their reaction to seeing the baby told me everything about their intentions.

They have no natural affection for it. And, , I kind of fear for that child. , not that I don't think this child's going to be hurt or anything like that, but he's not going to have a mother, , to show nurturing and, , the lovely things that mothers provide for us. , yeah, I don't remember where I was going with that, but I  got off there a 

little bit.

That's okay. ,  I think we need to do explain that men can love the child absolutely in a different 

way. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not saying that fathers are completely pointless and need to be abolished at all. , the first two years of a child's life, they need the mother and the mother alone and , fathers actually feel bad.

, When they have a, when they have a baby and they're like, I, I don't know if I love this baby, like, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't know, , I, I'm not as excited as my wife about it. I, do I need therapy? This is this bad, but that's completely natural is. Men don't start gaining the children don't start gaining a real affection for men until around three or four years old until then It's mostly the mother that they need.

I mean their mother's their life source, man And the father is just they're pretty much changing diapers and doing things around the house So the mother can take care of the baby, right? They have to work In tandem with one another but also in parallel to one another the mother and the father , to keep the household operational.

So yes, men absolutely can love their children. I mean, my brother loves his daughters. I don't doubt that for a second. . And I 

didn't think that's what you were saying, but I just wanted 

to clarify. It's, it's a different kind of love, right? Women. This is interesting. Women with children, they focus on who the child is.

Men focus on who the child can become the ideal of the child, you know, for their future. And I'm not saying that those roles can't be reversed in any scenario. Absolutely they can be, but in general, it's the women who love the child for who they are. And it's the men who love the child for who they can become.

And want to bring the best out of that child. that's probably the highest ideal of a father right there is raising your child in the way that he should go, so that when he is older he does not depart from it. , that's scripture. I couldn't tell you where it's found, but I know that that's in the Bible.

 Classic. Yes. And, , yeah, so the, the, the affection that parents give their children differs between male and female. For sure. But they both love the child. 

There it is, folks. You heard it. They both love the 

child. They both love the child. Groundbreaking news. Fathers love their children. Good gravy. That got dark.

, but yeah, so when it comes to responsibility, you, you upend someone's purpose and especially with, with women, they're being told that with a new Barbie movie, by the way, I remember where I was going with this. I'm back on track. But yeah, it was a Barbie movie. Yeah. I forgot to. Yeah. Yeah. ,

gives the message to little girls that being a mother is oppressive and well, it's like punching a hole in a balloon and telling it that its purpose was not to hold air.

Frankly. I mean, it's telling men, too, that if women can't be mothers, then men can't be fathers. It's telling men, at the same time, don't be fathers, don't procreate, don't have a family. And I don't understand that. I don't understand that at all. Because it's completely upending the purpose of humans. 

, that's just the...

, if you want to call it spiritual warfare, , Satan's attack is to ruin the What a nuclear family is supposed to be. . Obviously there was times in Different, you know in the 1950s where fathers weren't really that great Abusive and walked out of the family. Mm hmm, you know, not all of them, but right 

that does happen So that did happen back then.

, but it was exacerbated and when was that was it was the 60s?

And I want to say, it wasn't Truman, might have been one of the Roosevelt's, he signed it into law that women without a man in the household, and they have kids, so without a man in the household, they will get money from the government, and they would do better off, , they would get a decent amount of money from the government, and they would do better off without a father, financially, than they would with a father, essentially encouraging fathers to leave the home, and they were, they were doing this in, , predominantly black neighborhoods and that has, I mean, we still see the effects today.

, huge, vast majority numbers of, , black families don't have a father and it's tragic. It's so sad and you see why it's because they're getting benefits from the government for not having a father in the home. I know Michigan , has a similar thing where if you're a single mom and you're unmarried, you're going to get more money from the government than you would if you were married.

I guess that makes sense because you would assume that the father has a...  Has an income, , to add to that, but essentially , it's an, it's encouraging fatherless homes and it's incredibly sad. Depriving children of one of their parents is not an ideal by any means.

Yeah. Yeah.

All right. Is there anything else that we're discussing today or is that the conclusion of this? 

I, I think that's, , that's about it. Let me check my notes here to see if I have anything more. , we did birth control. t shirt experiment. I think, I think , that's about it. , here's a fun fact. It's a mystery in the psychological realm.

I, , I learned about it a while ago and came across it again. Just preparing for this. , yeah, girls hit puberty, like, , 12 through 15.  That's usually the range of puberty for a girl. Black girls hit puberty one year earlier. And they hit one year earlier yet, if they don't have a father. I wonder why.

No one knows. Dude, it's a psychological mystery. Even to,  clinical psychiatrists, psychologists. It's a mystery. It's weird., there's theories. I have a theory. But, I don't see how that would... My theory is more mental. , if you don't have a father in the home, you're gonna probably mature faster because...

You kinda have to. You kinda have to, yeah. You're gonna... Have to fend for yourself sometimes if there's no other siblings or if there are other siblings, you're gonna have to take care of them Because there's no co parenting going on. So yeah, I don't know why that I don't know why that's the case, but I don't see that affecting a girl Biologically like something that just like I don't know kicks enderkin system and say hey,  you're growing up now I know you're only like nine, but you're growing up now 

Psychology and mental and emotions be Connected to biology, maybe?

Potentially. Usually they kind of work, , In parallel to one another. Not typically in tandem to one another. ,  obviously, Hormonally, using your endocrine system affects you physically. but psychologically and physically, I don't, Usually those are kept in two different camps. , in the psychological realm.

But yeah, that's, that's fascinating. It's really fascinating and it even makes it more horrifying with this new FDA drug. 

For sure. . With the now. 

Yeah. Because then they're becoming more like sexually mature earlier and without having an age restriction on the pill, that's going to be detrimental.

Because it's already shown that people who are sexually active around the age of 16, they're more likely to smoke and use drugs, , to perform poorly in school and I wrote this down. . Show aggression and have attention problems parents tend to be less educated and have less control over them and not talk Openly to them so and they they hold Less conventional attitudes and values as well.

So pretty much their Standards lower and their performance lowers and it creates a snowball effect Making them into unproductive humans. It's pretty sad. Really? It's it's quite sad. Very sad Yeah, so the lesson that our Dear listeners can reap from this episode is, , Don't have sex outside of marriage.

Kids, please, save yourself, save your partner, save it till marriage. Keep your jeans in your jeans as I've heard it. 

And always forget to find your purpose too. And have responsibility, work hard, and have determination. Did 

you say forget to find your purpose? No, I said don't forget. 

Don't forget to, yes.

Don't forget to find your purpose, work 

hard, and have determination. Yeah, and if you haven't found your purpose yet, Go out and find it. , drop what you're doing right now, figure out what you're good at, and how you can use that to benefit those around you and yourself. , mostly, those around you. If you benefit in the process, good for you.

But if not, that's fine too. Work for those around you. Help others. That's it. 

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